Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

Shami looks fitter than Ishant,

But if Umesh is on we can't go with Shami at the same time

With Umesh there is always a chance of flurry of boundaries same is the case with Shami

Shami and Ishant both arent fit either

But i think TM will atke a punt on playing an unchanged XI atleast next

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

It will be very harsh to drop Ishant as according to me he was the one who was obtaining the highest degree of lateral movement but still we can't go with the same set of pacers again as the tail is just too weak and Shami won't score 50 every time. 

Shardul should play ahead of Shami. 

As good as Shami is he shouldn't play 3 matches on the trot, also Ishant is very economical even if he doesn't pick many wickets so we are not gonna give too many runs. 

 

Jadeja

Shardul

Ishant

Bumrah 

Siraj

 

 

No I want umesh I for ishant. Umesh may not be able to lead a team but as a first change bowler he can be brutal. Use him to intimidate batsmen. 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

No I want umesh I for ishant. Umesh may not be able to lead a team but as a first change bowler he can be brutal. Use him to intimidate batsmen. 

Ishant won us this test. All top order wickets. Umesh will leak runs like water.

Edited August 18, 2021 by rkt.india

[prudent_kreeda]

Whoever is more fit should play. Most probably we  may get flat pitch & if no cloud cover ... need bowlers to bowl long spells .

 

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Whoever is more fit should play. Most probably we  may get flat pitch & if no cloud cover ... need bowlers to bowl long spells .

 

It's August end, is going to be cold and cloudy.

[Adamant]

28 minutes ago, Jay said:

No I want umesh I for ishant. Umesh may not be able to lead a team but as a first change bowler he can be brutal. Use him to intimidate batsmen. 

Umesh is an interesting choice, I wanted Ishant for his high release and ability to move the ball, Umesh moves the ball as big as Ishant actually even more but the problem is the ball usually ends up onto the batsmans pads. 

 

He is just too inconsistent in his lines and so we can't trust him to hold one end, he might take wickets but he will go for big runs. 

On the other hand, Ishant is very economical and bowls nagging lines. 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Adamant

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Whoever is more fit should play. Most probably we  may get flat pitch & if no cloud cover ... need bowlers to bowl long spells .

 

 

 

Hit the nail on the head.  

 

Bumrah 

Siraj

Fitter among Shami or Ishant

Shardul only if fit ... otherwise Fitter pacer

 

[rkt.india]

Don't think Ishant was unfit, more like rusty.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Don't think Ishant was unfit, more like rusty.

 

This is more the fitness which enables pacers to run in with energy throughout the day and bowl with full effort.

 

Ishant has been lacking this for 18 to 20 months now.

Edited August 18, 2021 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

This is more the fitness which enables pacers to run in with energy throughout the day and bowl with full effort.

 

Ishant has been lacking that for 18 to 20 months now.

That's lack of bowling due to pandemic. Rustiness. 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

That's lack of bowling due to pandemic. Rustiness. 

 

 

Just like elderly people in real life, once an elderly pacer (  playing for 14 years ) becomes rusty, it is difficult to get back to old fitness.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Just like elderly people in real life, once an elderly pacer (  playing for 14 years ) becomes rusty, it is difficult to get back to old fitness.

Yes, true in case of Ishant as he has never been a great athlete, unlike Anderson. This is why it's imperative that they work on their athleticism. In fact, fast bowling is much more than just coming in and bowl. It is much more complex. A fast bowler has to be a sprinter first. Look at Siraj how he runs in or even Anderson. They have spring in their steps. A fast bowler must work on his jump like a triple jumper. Becoming a fast bowler is like preparing for three track and field events; sprint, triple jump and javelin.  

[rkt.india]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by rkt.india

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

in case of Ishant as he has never been a great athlete, unlike Anderson

What makes Anderson a great athelete and not Ishant, is it written on Anderson forehead?   Neither is Anderson some great athelete nor is it possible to say Ishant is not as much an athelete as Anderson, rkt pulls all this absurd baseless assersions from his arse. There is no definition for a great athelete written in stone and maintained as a standard somewhere. So stfu rkt 

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

What makes Anderson a great athelete and not Ishant, is it written on Anderson forehead?   Neither is Anderson some great athelete nor is it possible to say Ishant is not as much an athelete as Anderson, rkt pulls all this absurd baseless assersions from his arse. There is no definition for a great athelete written in stone and maintained as a standard somewhere. So stfu rkt 

A great athlete imo is someone who has the perfect balance of power, endurance, strength and flexibility. 

 

So;

 

Flexibility : Andy beats ishu

Strength: I think ishant would pummel him in the weight room lol. I guess. 

Power: Anderson more powerful. Has faster speeds and better fast twitch fibres. 

Endurance : equequal. 

 

2-1 andy. 

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Get him used to bowling with the stumps(bowling end )and umpires ,bowling with/without them feels different,also avoiding the danger area in follow throw,these things should be in his muscle memory.

Right now, it's just bowling whatever way. These things are done in ground, in the nets. Right now, at this age, focus is more on athleticism and bit of bowling and action formation. Muscle memory develops much later. He has just turned 11.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Jay said:

A great athlete imo is someone who has the perfect balance of power, endurance, strength and flexibility. 

 

So;

 

Flexibility : Andy beats ishu

Strength: I think ishant would pummel him in the weight room lol. I guess. 

Power: Anderson more powerful. Has faster speeds and better fast twitch fibres. 

Endurance : equequal. 

 

2-1 andy. 

Vilander se bahas nahi kar sakte hum log. For him, everyone is a great athlete because there is no definition of great athlete.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Vilander said:

What makes Anderson a great athelete and not Ishant, is it written on Anderson forehead?   Neither is Anderson some great athelete nor is it possible to say Ishant is not as much an athelete as Anderson, rkt pulls all this absurd baseless assersions from his arse. There is no definition for a great athelete written in stone and maintained as a standard somewhere. So stfu rkt 

You are right everyone can win olympic track and field events because we all are great athletes.

Edited August 19, 2021 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

Now when we talk about athleticism, we all are different, some very good, some average, some below average. Anderson is an above average athelete. Ishant is average to below average athlete. Athleticism depends on speed (agility), strength, and endurance. Agility is one of the most important part. Strength and endurance wont help if you lack agility. Ishant below average in agility.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

If this is your backyard then just put a plastic stump with flat base and a plastic water drum in front of him to replicate the stump and the umpire, with his action he will have to angle the ball into the right hander, without the stump and the umpire he will get used to bowling straight and then make the change once he gets to the nets.

That I do though not regularly. I do have those stumps. We had started going to club in Jan. After monsoon, will restart.

Edited August 19, 2021 by rkt.india