Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Vk1]

Siraj in his first year of test cricket is 12 -15 wickets away from surpassing the tally of RP Singh and Nehra 

[speedheat]

27 minutes ago, Vijy said:

still looks pretty rusty though. must be rested next test.

He looks tired not rusty, not giving his 100 per.

[Vijy]

Just now, speedheat said:

He looks tired not rusty, not giving his 100 per.

most pacers don't, these days. would rather give it their all in IPL

[Lord]

Thakur not bowled at all

 

All pacers look out of gas.

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

Thakur not bowled at all

 

All pacers look out of gas.

it's not that they are out of gas. the pitch is pretty flat. but more importantly, they would much rather go full throttle in tourneys like IPL or T20 WC

[Lord]

Just now, Vijy said:

it's not that they are out of gas. the pitch is pretty flat. but more importantly, they would much rather go full throttle in tourneys like IPL or T20 WC

 

nah both Bumrah and Siraj are bowling slower than before.Fatigue is natural.

 

 

[rkt.india]

26 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

Siraj in his first year of test cricket is 12 -15 wickets away from surpassing the tally of RP Singh and Nehra 

He has great potential. Bit more red ball experience, he can play next 5-6 years.

[express bowling]

Siraj is a pacer who has looked really good when the pitch has provided some assistance. Like Melbourne, Gabba, Ahmedabad 4th test and Lord's.

 

But he has looked unimpressive on pitches which don't provide that much help. Probably lacks the extra pace for such surfaces.

 

Early days but if this trend continues then we should probably use him mostly on helpful surfaces where he is a match winner ... and rest him on flatter surfaces. 

 

 

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

Siraj is a pacer who has looked really good when the pitch has provided some assistance. Like Melbourne, Gabba, Ahmedabad 4th test and Lord's.

 

But he has looked unimpressive on pitches which don't provide that much help. Probably lacks the extra pace for such surfaces.

 

Early days but if this trend continues then we should probably use him mostly on helpful surfaces where he is a match winner ... and rest him on flatter surfaces. 

 

 

 

 

Lords didnt have much at all

 

Just looked tired today still had one LBW shout. Needs to be patient

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

Siraj is a pacer who has looked really good when the pitch has provided some assistance. Like Melbourne, Gabba, Ahmedabad 4th test and Lord's.

 

But he has looked unimpressive on pitches which don't provide that much help. Probably lacks the extra pace for such surfaces.

 

Early days but if this trend continues then we should probably use him mostly on helpful surfaces where he is a match winner ... and rest him on flatter surfaces. 

 

 

 

In other words, we need to be looking to unearth bowlers who can make something happen even on flattish tracks. need pacers with extra pace and bounce. shows where we are missing out on developing prasidh. and then avesh and tyagi

[express bowling]

For thd first time since 2015, Team India is lacking pace in its test bowling if Bumrah is tired.

 

Shami and Umesh are well into their 30s and have become Fast-medium from Fast.

 

Siraj is Fast-medium 

 

Ishant and Shardul are medium pacers now.

 

Bumrah is Fast but is bowling within himself a bit too often in 2021.

 

Where is the extra pace which is needed on flat surfaces  ????   

(  We could not get England out before an enormous score in the 1st test in Chennai  earlier this year. )

 

We need to solve this issue. Bumrah used to be the enforcer pacer in 2018 and 2019.  Who is the enforcer now ????

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Lords didnt have much at all

 

 

The ball was seaming.

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

For thd first time since 2015, Team India is lacking pace in its test bowling if Bumrah is tired.

 

Shami and Umesh are well into their 30s and have become Fast-medium from Fast.

 

Siraj is Fast-medium 

 

Ishant and Shardul are medium pacers now.

 

Bumrah is Fast but is bowling within himself a bit too often in 2021.

 

Where is the extra pace which is needed on flat surfaces  ????   

(  We could not get England out before an enormous score in the 1st test in Chennai  earlier this year. )

 

We need to solve this issue. Bumrah used to be the enforcer pacer in 2018 and 2019.  Who is the enforcer now ????

Chill out, express-bhai. Unadcutter has your back - he will enforce the fear of God into the batsmen through his 100 km per hour cutters.

[express bowling]

Our Fast Bowlers need to use the bouncer as a set-up ball on this flat surface. Otherwise they will never get wickets.

 

Push the batters back with a bouncer or two. Then pitch the ball up.  The batters won't be so decisive in their footwork and may get out.

 

I don't know why this age old technique is not used regularly on most surfaces. 

 

Reluctance to use the bouncer as a set-up ball is one area where modern fast bowlers have regressed big time. The fast bowlers of the 1980s and 1990s were far more liberal in the use of bouncers. You would see one or two bouncers every over.

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

For thd first time since 2015, Team India is lacking pace in its test bowling if Bumrah is tired.

 

Shami and Umesh are well into their 30s and have become Fast-medium from Fast.

 

Siraj is Fast-medium 

 

Ishant and Shardul are medium pacers now.

 

Bumrah is Fast but is bowling within himself a bit too often in 2021.

 

Where is the extra pace which is needed on flat surfaces  ????   

(  We could not get England out before an enormous score in the 1st test in Chennai  earlier this year. )

 

We need to solve this issue. Bumrah used to be the enforcer pacer in 2018 and 2019.  Who is the enforcer now ????

Remember the Name "Chetan Sharma"

[Suhaan]

11 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Chill out, express-bhai. Unadcutter has your back - he will enforce the fear of God into the batsmen through his 100 km per hour cutters.

He is goddam speed demon if you compress the pitch by 90%

Edited September 5, 2021 by Suhaan

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Remember the Name "Chetan Sharma"

 

 

Ironically, in the mid 1980s, Chetan used to be sharp with a whippy action. Tried to bowl as fast as he could with effort. 

 

But people change when they grow older.

 

 

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Our Fast Bowlers need to use the bouncer as a set-up ball on this flat surface. Otherwise they will never get wickets.

 

Push the batters back with a bouncer or two. Then pitch the ball up.  The batters won't be so decisive in their footwork and may get out.

 

I don't know why this age old technique is not used regularly on most surfaces. 

 

Reluctance to use the bouncer as a set-up ball is one area where modern fast bowlers have regressed big time. The fast bowlers of the 1980s and 1990s were far more liberal in the use of bouncers. You would see one or two bouncers every over.

I wonder if this is because, as you have written, our pacers are somewhat down in pace at the moment. this strategy works better if one has extra pace and/or bounce. this is where the likes of prasidh could have come in.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

He is goddam speed demon if you compress the pitch by 90%

 

[Suhaan]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

Ironically, in the mid 1980s, Chetan used to be sharp with a whippy action. Tried to bowl as fast as he could with effort. 

 

But people change when they grow older.

 

 

They think the ones who are in the middle too have grown old