Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[speedracer]

Most punjabi guys and guys from south I have seen are big. Average height of new gen is easily 5'10. With punjabis I have seen its even higher. Taller than the sena boys infact and bigger. 

 

Somehow we pick malnourished trundlers from meerut. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Umran is easily the quickest indian bowler. That 155 is easily the fastest by an Indian.

 

I see a lot of discussion about Srinath.

 

Srinath at one point in time genuinely fast. But not express. Most likely in mid 140s. He bowled one ball at 149.9 kph in the 1999 WC.

 

Some say he hit 157 kph against Zimbabwe in 1996-97. Officially no such record exists. But Srinath could have hit the early 150s. 157 kph? I doubt it.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

BCCI really needs to take care of Umran. He is 23. And is clocking 96 mph. At his peak he may well be a 100 mph bowler.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

though shivam mavi got 4 wickets , i was not too impresed with him.

 

Views please.......

He was disappointing for me to watch, he is running slowly and just not putting any effort. Pace looks real pedestrian.

 

On top of it I don't recall him hitting Yorkers consistently even in IPL and has only off cutters as variation. I won't be surprised if he gets mauled next match.

[Number]

Pandya's spell with the new ball was really something. Easily the most enjoyable part of the game for me.

Swinging ball both ways at 142-144 kmph. He is such a talented cricketer. I believe he gave up on being a genuine pace bowling option after injuries in 2019. If we had handled him carefully he would have played a lot of tests in SENA.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Number

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Btw if all of you noticed, Umrans short and hard length balls are between 145 to 147 kph. Its his full balls that hit 150. The express bowlers usually hit 150kph even on the hard length. So Umran has some distance to cover.

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

One thing can be easily said.

 

That Umran is the first Indian pacer who can bowl 150k+ balls in almost every match he plays and 145 k+ seems to be his base speed in white ball cricket. 

Undoubtedly, Umran is a genuine express pacer and I believe he can hit the 160 kph barrier as well if he can get a bowling coach who supports genuine pace.

 

[Vijy]

49 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

BCCI really needs to take care of Umran. He is 23. And is clocking 96 mph. At his peak he may well be a 100 mph bowler.

97-99 mph is definitely doable if he is carefully groomed, and assuming he gets to play in aus/SA

[SRT100]

7 minutes ago, Vijy said:

97-99 mph is definitely doable if he is carefully groomed, and assuming he gets to play in aus/SA

 

Easily. It will required dedication, eating properly, weight training correctly and practice in the nets. Need a good fast bowling coach to take care of him too.

[SRT100]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

On a pitch that was gripping ..

 

ER of Spinners and Slower Ball Specialist ... 

 

Chahal.          13.0

Axar.               10.3

Harshal.         10.2

Theekshana.   7.2

Hasaranga.     5.5

 

The spinners etc. we are picking are not up to the mark, especially Chahal and Harshal.

 

 

Harshal at the end in contention of Man of the Match, when he singlehandedly tried to manufacture a SL win.

 

When will this guy be dumped for the team, he will cost India a final in the WC. A nothing bowler and once batsmen realize this, they will plough him.

[SRT100]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If we do that, then we have to discount most speeds recorded from 1975 to 2010 or thereabouts.

 

I am all for it as most modern quicks looks faster to me to the naked eye. 

 

But it cannot be an one off discounting exercise for Srinath alone.

 

 

 

No way do I believe Thompson bowled 160kmhr.

 

IIRC the way fast bowlers speed was recorded back then is very different compared to today.

[SRT100]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I am above drinking age and drink every Friday evening   

 

We will all drink this Friday evening to celebrate Umran's 155 kph.   

 

You are infectious and contagious with the way you promote your love of fast bowling.  You alone have got everyone interested in genuine pace bowling.

 

I guess I never believed India would really ever get to the stage of producing fast bowling that consistently hit 145+

 

I enjoy the way you promote them on here, it makes India far more exciting but also intimidating and daunting.

 

Dont ever underestimate the genuine and real fear of being hurt by a genuine fast bowler, that alone distracts a batsmen compared to any other kind of bowler. You then combine speed, with guile skill and you then have a weapon of mass destruction while bowling.

[Lone Wolf]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

This set-up seems to be promoting and showing much love towards 130kmphish bowler, Umran too clocked 150+ only once.

He is slower than what he was bowling in IPls, no sharp bouncer on batters' noggin. He was hitting all Ind super stars on their lids v.consistently.

Nothing of that kind in Intl. matches

 

In last 5-6 years Ind has come-up so far in fast bowling that at one time they were considered as the best bowling attack and there were results to show for it.

Not sure why they are going back to Trundlers when there are many high pace and 2-3 v.high pace bowlers. If this mind-set remains for 3/4 years Ind pace bowling will be on their old ways of having 125Kmph bowlers opening the bowling for Ind and other teams non-regular AR bowling faster then them

 

 

I think he is entering into Nortje Ferguson category...  He knows he can bowl fast but timing is necessary.  In the final over we clearly saw him rip.  Also he had no cushion whatsover.  Spinners & Harshal were hell bent on ruining everything. 

Overall he showed immense accuracy for a newbie.  Even Akhtar wasn't accurate. 

Lee maybe comes close. 

[express bowling]

31 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

No way do I believe Thompson bowled 160kmhr.

 

IIRC the way fast bowlers speed was recorded back then is very different compared to today.

 

 

Exactly my thoughts !

 

Infact, the 1979 competition was the only recorded speed test of that era.

 

Thomson 147.x kph ,  Holding 141 kph, Imran 139 kph were the fastest. Robert's was around that 140 k mark too as his fastest. 

 

When batters had to face those speeds without helmets and wearing poor protective gears and without any practice against bowling machines set at 150 k, they seemed quicker.

[SRT100]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Exactly my thoughts !

 

Infact, the 1979 competition was the only recorded speed test of that era.

 

Thomson 147.x kph ,  Holding 141 kph, Imran 139 kph were the fastest. Robert's was around that 140 k mark too as his fastest. 

 

When batters had to face those speeds without helmets and wearing poor protective gears and without any practice against bowling machines set at 150 k, they seemed quicker.

 

Im sure you have seen this, given your passion and love of Fast Bowling.

 

This is a documentary of the first fast bowling measurements taken in Australia.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by SRT100

[express bowling]

34 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

You are infectious and contagious with the way you promote your love of fast bowling.  You alone have got everyone interested in genuine pace bowling.

 

I guess I never believed India would really ever get to the stage of producing fast bowling that consistently hit 145+

 

I enjoy the way you promote them on here, it makes India far more exciting but also intimidating and daunting.

 

Thanks for your kind words. You have been a wonderful poster too. Very logical and modern in your approach to analysing this game.

 

 

34 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

Dont ever underestimate the genuine and real fear of being hurt by a genuine fast bowler, that alone distracts a batsmen compared to any other kind of bowler. You then combine speed, with guile skill and you then have a weapon of mass destruction while bowling.

 

All dominating teams of the past had intimidating and hostile pace attacks and attacking batsmen. They destroyed their opposition mentally and made it difficult for them to put up fights even. This is the key to domination in cricket  

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

Im sure you have seen this, given your passion and love of Fast Bowling.

 

This is a documentary of the first fast bowling measurements taken in Australia.

 

 

 

 

This is the one I was referring to. Lillee clocked 128 kph with his first ball.

[speedracer]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

97-99 mph is definitely doable if he is carefully groomed, and assuming he gets to play in aus/SA

Also nz in odi speeds seem to be recorded at a higher reading. I highly doubt the 161 starc clocked is actually 161. Looked 150-155 ish. 

 

 

[speedracer]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

97-99 mph is definitely doable if he is carefully groomed, and assuming he gets to play in aus/SA

Also pak will claim a victory vicariously because umran is a Muslim lol. Will be funny if he breaks shoaibs record. They will be crying for aeons.

One little tiny saving grace for the brethren from bikhari land. Umran I still think is the beginning. There will be more to come through. India progressively has gotten better overtime since 2000. Reached the pinnacle by being the best bowling attack from 2015  - 2022 until this birdbrain dravid took over. Classless idiot. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by speedracer

[speedracer]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

 

Easily. It will required dedication, eating properly, weight training correctly and practice in the nets. Need a good fast bowling coach to take care of him too.

Umran is already very strong. Look at his physique. He Is well built for his age group. Strong as an ox. He is like umesh who has a monster physique. Now umran just need a to fine tune and diet plus do strength and conditioning pertaining to what the sport demands.