Gollum Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Axl100mph said: Presently one of the best in the world if not the best when there is reverse on offer because he moves it both ways unlike many and has that skiddy trajectory which is always threatening the stumps. The middle phase skills though are lacking. Needs to develop the wobble seam or the 3 quarter seam to be more effective then and further improve his bouncer which has come up this series but was almost non existent before. Because there has been less emphasis on test cricket ever since his debut, his attacking skills didnt develop at the same speed as his defensive skills which I feel are the most rounded when it comes to any all format pacer playing right now. There is a reason Tait was waxing lyrical about him and not Shaheen in every interview or exchange of his Aus will be the ultimate test. Short, skiddy bowlers rarely do well there.
Suhaan Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: Something is wrong...it shows Sandeep Sharma gave 8 runs in 10 overs on cricinfo. In reality he was smashed for 89 runs Trundler ecosystem supports trundlers express bowling 1
wazza Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, Axl100mph said: Presently one of the best in the world if not the best when there is reverse on offer because he moves it both ways unlike many and has that skiddy trajectory which is always threatening the stumps. The middle phase skills though are lacking. Needs to develop the wobble seam or the 3 quarter seam to be more effective then and further improve his bouncer which has come up this series but was almost non existent before. Because there has been less emphasis on test cricket ever since his debut, his attacking skills didnt develop at the same speed as his defensive skills which I feel are the most rounded when it comes to any all format pacer playing right now. There is a reason Tait was waxing lyrical about him and not Shaheen in every interview or exchange of his. Please stop. Shaheen is the best from Pakistan. Naseem will never r2ach his level. Impossible. He doesn't have the natural bounce and variations of shaheen although shah3en himself isn't bouncy but he is much more skilful. Tyagi has more potential than naseem ever will have. You just need some moron in bcci yo play him more often but we have trundler quotas so another talented wasted.
wazza Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Such bowlers (skiddy) could be under fire in Australia as they don't generate much bounce. So it will be interesting how he copes up with that. Needs a mean short ball as well... as he has good pace. He was quite green last time he went to Australia & was bashed around. He may find success in SA though. Lateral movement is always there... And has got that outswing naturally. He can't cope for crap . He will get blown away. Mark these words. He will get exposed badly. He will only suit u.a.e and dustbowl pitches that are abrasive in Asia.
wazza Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Mukesh kumar Undakutha Sakaria Leftie swinger for nets forget his name Siddarth kaul Sandeep sharma Ishan porel No bounce no pace no nothing Management should select from these for sena. Missing about 6 more MediumPacer 1
Nikhil_cric Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 57 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Such bowlers (skiddy) could be under fire in Australia as they don't generate much bounce. So it will be interesting how he copes up with that. Needs a mean short ball as well... as he has good pace. He was quite green last time he went to Australia & was bashed around. He may find success in SA though. Lateral movement is always there... And has got that outswing naturally. Naseem will get enough bounce in Australia. I believe he has worked with Steffan Jones recently and that shows in his new ball performance in SL. The issue is finding the right length in places like Perth. Also, coming back for spell after spell is crucial as you don't get appreciable reverse over there. If he can bowl the right length and maintain speed, he will definitely be effective. The problem for PAK is that even if Naseem and Shaheen do that, they have no 3rd seamer to do that and OZ will target that ruthlessly. Lone Wolf 1
Axl100mph Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, wazza said: He can't cope for crap . He will get blown away. Mark these words. He will get exposed badly. He will only suit u.a.e and dustbowl pitches that are abrasive in Asia. Was the MCG final last year also played on an abrasive dustbowl? How come was he not blown away there and instead look the most threatening bowler on show from both sides? Edited July 28, 2023 by Axl100mph
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: I don't see the similarity here to be honest. https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5559865/prof-d-b-deodhar-trophy-2023-24-fantastic-five-red-hot-kaverappas-lethal-517
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Hmmm.... Yeah this is good stuff. Naseem should stay away from T20s & stick to ODIs & Tests. cant see
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, Axl100mph said: Was the MCG final last year also played on an abrasive dustbowl? How come was he not blown away there and instead look the most threatening bowler on show from both sides? Need tall pacers there ,but he does bowl very straight .Thats his strength.
express bowling Posted July 28, 2023 Author Posted July 28, 2023 5 hours ago, MediumPacer said: he is like siraj Siraj hits top speeds of 143 k to 148 k in different matches. Bowls lots of 140 k+ deliveries. Doubt Kaverappa will come anywhere close. Mosher 1
wazza Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, Axl100mph said: Was the MCG final last year also played on an abrasive dustbowl? How come was he not blown away there and instead look the most threatening bowler on show from both sides? In tests bud. Not falt t20 who no one cares about. He sucks. Shaheen is the best from Pakistan..
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: Siraj hits top speeds of 143 k to 148 k in different matches. Bowls lots of 140 k+ deliveries. Doubt Kaverappa will come anywhere close. why not ,they are similar pace. Vijy 1
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: Siraj hits top speeds of 143 k to 148 k in different matches. Bowls lots of 140 k+ deliveries. Doubt Kaverappa will come anywhere close. https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5559865/prof-d-b-deodhar-trophy-2023-24-fantastic-five-red-hot-kaverappas-lethal-517 looks similar
Lone Wolf Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, wazza said: In tests bud. Not falt t20 who no one cares about. He sucks. Shaheen is the best from Pakistan.. He doesn't anymore... He is good or even better than Shaheen with old ball. Pakistan has got a great prospect with him.
Lone Wolf Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 48 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Naseem will get enough bounce in Australia. I believe he has worked with Steffan Jones recently and that shows in his new ball performance in SL. The issue is finding the right length in places like Perth. Also, coming back for spell after spell is crucial as you don't get appreciable reverse over there. If he can bowl the right length and maintain speed, he will definitely be effective. The problem for PAK is that even if Naseem and Shaheen do that, they have no 3rd seamer to do that and OZ will target that ruthlessly. Thumbs up to PCB.... They really are working more professionally & making an effort towards their players. QEA trophy has really transformed with that new structure & is way better than Ranji Trophy in reality. They should try Ihsanullah or that Arshad Iqbal guy as a third wheel option in Aus. Likes of Hassan Ali & Wasim Jnr would undo all the good work anyways & Aussies would feast on their pies. A defensive line length containing trundler would also be decent.. Vijy 1
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Just now, Lone Wolf said: Thumbs up to PCB.... They really are working more professionally & making an effort towards their players. QEA trophy has really transformed with that new structure & is way better than Ranji Trophy in reality. They should try Ihsanullah or that Arshad Iqbal guy as a third wheel option in Aus. Likes of Hassan Ali & Wasim Jnr would undo all the good work anyways & Aussies would feast on their pies. A defensive line length containing trundler would also be decent.. Pakistan always had quick pace bowlers ,certainly quicker than india's ,it's nothing new.Even before 6 domestic teams they had quick pacers ,pace bowling allrounders,wrist spinners and spin bowling allrounders and also middle order batsmen and big hitters .Their issues are top order batting ,catching and fielding.
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: Pakistan always had quick pace bowlers ,certainly quicker than india's ,it's nothing new.Even before 6 domestic teams they had quick pacers ,pace bowling allrounders,wrist spinners and spin bowling allrounders and also middle order batsmen and big hitters .Their issues are top order batting ,catching and fielding. No sir, I respectfully disagree here. Indian has a much bigger pool of fast bowlers which Pakistan can only dream off. One advantage which they has is their ecosystem supports fast bowlers unlike ours. PCB is ready to shell money to the foreign coaches instead of BCCI which is just focused on money and power. Indian domestic circuit mindset is against fast bowlers and heavily favours batters(stat padders) and slow trundlers. Hence, unless BCCI won't invest in the ecosystem to develop fast bowlers, all these numbers are not going to achieve much. express bowling, Vijy and Mosher 1 2
MediumPacer Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said: No sir, I respectfully disagree here. Indian has a much bigger pool of fast bowlers which Pakistan can only dream off. One advantage which they has is their ecosystem supports fast bowlers unlike ours. PCB is ready to shell money to the foreign coaches instead of BCCI which is just focused on money and power. Indian domestic circuit mindset is against fast bowlers and heavily favours batters(stat padders) and slow trundlers. Hence, unless BCCI won't invest in the ecosystem to develop fast bowlers, all these numbers are not going to achieve much. Pak is mad about their quick pacers ,we are nothing like that .Also our talent scouts ,biomechanics and technical aspects are poor.
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