Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[the don]

Haris Rauf 150 Kph

 

Three legit fast bowlers with Wasim jr, Ihsanullah and Arshad iqbal in the wings
 

[Lone Wolf]

2 minutes ago, the don said:

Haris Rauf 150 Kph

 

Three legit fast bowlers with Wasim jr, Ihsanullah and Arshad iqbal in the wings
 

Nobody rates Wasim Jnr...  Everytime he bowls.  Standard pacer imo. 

Agree with other two.  

[the don]

7 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nobody rates Wasim Jnr...  Everytime he bowls.  Standard pacer imo. 

Agree with other two.  

Wasim jr has potential as a middle overs reverse swing bowler. Finds a way to get wickets. Has a role. The other are great talents.

[the don]

Haris Rauf with 5 wickets . 
 

His average speed was over 90 moph today. Insane for a 10 over spell.

[Lone Wolf]

Umran is visibly quicker than every Pak pacer maybe  close call between him Rauf...  But I suppose his top space exceeds Rauf...  Who is more 152ish as seen in WT20.

 

Rauf should be inspiration for him though.  He has mastered that top of off delivery & ideal length.  Also confidence in a support system that promotes fast bowling. 

A foreign consultant is badly needed here to save his career. 

[the don]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Umran is visibly quicker than every Pak pacer maybe  close call between him Rauf...  But I suppose his top space exceeds Rauf...  Who is more 152ish as seen in WT20.

 

Rauf should be inspiration for him though.  He has mastered that top of off delivery & ideal length.  Also confidence in a support system that promotes fast bowling. 

A foreign consultant is badly needed here to save his career. 

Bas kerdo bhai. Rauf has bowled higher speeds than Umran in international cricket. Umran has a long way to go.

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, the don said:

Wasim jr has potential as a middle overs reverse swing bowler. Finds a way to get wickets. Has a role. The other are great talents.

Nope he is a skiddy bowler that's about it...  Initially his reverse did work for him but he lost that skill after a while. 

Gun barrel straight these days. 

Pakistan would be better off to invest in Arshad Iqbal over him.  Much much higher ceiling. 

[the don]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Nope he is a skiddy bowler that's about it...  Initially his reverse did work for him but he lost that skill after a while. 

Gun barrel straight these days. 

Pakistan would be better off to invest in Arshad Iqbal over him.  Much much higher ceiling. 

Arshad is a new ball bowler. Back up for shaheen and Naseem. ihsanullah is the back up for Rauf. Wasim is there as the ever fit, ever reliable reverse merchant with a bit of batting skill.

[Lone Wolf]

Just now, the don said:

Bas kerdo bhai. Rauf has bowled higher speeds than Umran in international cricket. Umran has a long way to go.

Nope Umran has bowled around 155 in Int'l cricket.  I have seen Rauf hovering around 130ish in home series vs Aus. 

 

As I said Umran has played very little cricket compared to Rauf and much younger than him.  So there is confidence & lack of issue as well. 

Visibly It is clear he may bowl faster on average than him.  He is all over the place that's different matter. 

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, the don said:

Bas kerdo bhai. Rauf has bowled higher speeds than Umran in international cricket. Umran has a long way to go.

So true, Umran has long long way to go.He has not progressed one bit.

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, the don said:

Arshad is a new ball bowler. Back up for shaheen and Naseem. ihsanullah is the back up for Rauf. Wasim is there as the ever fit, ever reliable reverse merchant with a bit of batting skill.

Lol batting rehn de yarr...  Shaheen is better batsman than him.  That guy doesn't even has a half decent batswing.  Saw him multiple times with bat. 

That Zim WC game was pure lol

[the don]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Lol batting rehn de yarr...  Shaheen is better batsman than him.  That guy doesn't even has a half decent batswing.  Saw him multiple times with bat. 

That Zim WC game was pure lol

I mean thats what the verdict is. Id obviously pick Arshad.

[singhvivek141]

12 minutes ago, the don said:

Bas kerdo bhai. Rauf has bowled higher speeds than Umran in international cricket. Umran has a long way to go.

Gaadi Ghum fir ke phir wahi pe aake phans gayi.

[Axl100mph]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope Umran has bowled around 155 in Int'l cricket.  I have seen Rauf hovering around 130ish in home series vs Aus. 

 

As I said Umran has played very little cricket compared to Rauf and much younger than him.  So there is confidence & lack of issue as well. 

Visibly It is clear he may bowl faster on average than him.  He is all over the place that's different matter. 

Rauf has bowled consistent 148 plus kph spells in odi's. Check out his spells vs the windies odi 2022. 

He plays all year around, so it is understandable if there are games where his speed isnt always at its max.

 

His full effort deliveries are near the 155 range. 

Clicked 155 vs england last year and this year's PSL. 

 

 

Umran is someone who has a very efficient momentum sequencing with a balanced runup and action. 

Rauf though is an absolute freak becausr he generates very momentum from the runup with his short bustly strides and sometimes even decelerates before release, yet bowls that quick without getting injured. 

Had he worked with a better bowling coach who could have fixed his run up, he had a fair shot at 160 kph. 

 

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

Rauf has bowled consistent 148 plus kph spells in odi's. Check out his spells vs the windies odi 2022. 

He plays all year around, so it is understandable if there are games where his speed isnt always at its max.

 

His full effort deliveries are near the 155 range. 

Clicked 155 vs england last year and this year's PSL. 

 

 

Umran is someone who has a very efficient momentum sequencing with a balanced runup and action. 

Rauf though is an absolute freak becausr he generates very momentum from the runup with his short bustly strides and sometimes even decelerates before release, yet bowls that quick without getting injured. 

Had he worked with a better bowling coach who could have fixed his run up, he had a fair shot at 160 kph. 

 

I don't think anyone is denying that Rauf is fast, it's just than Umran is a natural athelete who was bowling 157 kph last year IPL and clocked 156 & 155 in limited international games. Umran has serious potential to clock 160k which even Shoaib acknowledged but he doesn't get the support from TM.

 

Kartik Tyagi is another genuine quick who consistently bowls in 144-150 range with fastest around 151/152 in IPL so far, you might remember him coz he played U-19 WC in 2020 along with Yashasvi where he was bowling accurate Yorkers at 138-144 kph.

 

However, unlike Pakistan who picks fastest bowlers first & then work in them, India go in reverse gear and reject the fastest ones. Last T20 WC our quickest was Pandya who clocked 145, and he is an allrounder.

[Suhaan]

19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Last T20 WC our quickest was Pandya who clocked 145, and he is an allrounder.

Pandua was fastest from both sides that day only behind Rauf

[Lone Wolf]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Pandua was fastest from both sides that day only behind Rauf

Rauf's top speed was 152kph not 155 as claimed by Pak posters..  Similar top speed in Asia Cup before that. 

[putrevus]

41 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

Rauf has bowled consistent 148 plus kph spells in odi's. Check out his spells vs the windies odi 2022. 

He plays all year around, so it is understandable if there are games where his speed isnt always at its max.

 

His full effort deliveries are near the 155 range. 

Clicked 155 vs england last year and this year's PSL. 

 

 

Umran is someone who has a very efficient momentum sequencing with a balanced runup and action. 

Rauf though is an absolute freak becausr he generates very momentum from the runup with his short bustly strides and sometimes even decelerates before release, yet bowls that quick without getting injured. 

Had he worked with a better bowling coach who could have fixed his run up, he had a fair shot at 160 kph. 

 

Rauf has movement also with pace.Umran lacks movement.Some people keep blaming Indian TM but how about blaming the bowler for a change first for not showing any improvement.

[tapandrun]

Rauf is top notch in white ball, quick accurate and has variations that confuses batters.

He can bowl ~150 kmph and without changing his action he can break to 125 kmph, also he has good bouncer and yorker.

 

To come from a scouting talent to become top notch fast bowler is something to appreciate.

 

Since 2019 donot know how all pak bowlers have increased their pace.  before that Rauf was not hitting 150s that often or 145+ for that matter.

But now he is 145-150 kmph bowler.

 

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Umran lacks movement.

Another gem