Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[vishalvirsingh]

33 minutes ago, Vijy said:

he seems to be carrying a niggle, and also displaying his mental weakness

i agree ...if he is down, India should look to replace him with Prasidh. get a replacement.

[Vijy]

Just now, vishalvirsingh said:

i agree ...if he is down, India should look to replace him with Prasidh. get a replacement.

yes, replace him with prasidh somehow

[MediumPacer]

Siraj isn't bowling seam up in these condition , that's why he isn't getting the same purchase,his wobbly balls aren't working.

Edited October 29, 2023 by MediumPacer

[prudent_kreeda]

Re: Siraj 

 

 We need to show some patience .

He has the skills to bowl well in One dayers. 

Thing is that he goes for variations within an over and that could be the reason releases pressure if we compare him with Bumra & Shami. Plus a short ball is a must for him every over. 

We have 2 weeks before SF . Hope he will work hard on consistency by that time. 

[Need4Speed]

59 minutes ago, Vijy said:

he seems to be carrying a niggle, and also displaying his mental weakness

thats bad news if he is carrying a niggle..some rest will do good to him..both from physical and mental level..

also..if team is winning and there is positive energy around..it should help him to be back to his best fast..

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

This match again outlines the importance why you need three frontline sharp pacers instead of Dibbly Dibbly Thakur. Even if one is off color, you still have two quick pacers to work with. Imagine Bumrah, Siraj, thakur. Siraj having bad day, Dibbly Dobly thakur and and only Bumrah to work with as an effective quick pacer.

 

3 proper quick and skilful pacers means that batters feel the possibility of relentless pressure for 30 overs. They can't take the option of playing out the first 8 overs and attacking later. 

 

And they end up taking risks against the proper quicks and often losing wickets as a result.

 

From now on, we should carry atleast 4 proper quicks in the LOI squads and play 3 by rotation.

 

The dibbly dobbly allrounders and floaty swing bowlers are not adding much value while the proper pacers are changing the whole complexion of our team and making it dangerous.

 

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[tapandrun]

Siraj is showing what the difference in pace can do - Same bowler same skill but bowling at slower pace.

 

We are already seeing this with Rabada, Shaheen

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Siraj is showing what the difference in pace can do - Same bowler same skill but bowling at slower pace.

 

We are already seeing this with Rabada, Shaheen

yes, siraj is trundling. filling that good old trundler quota.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

yes, siraj is trundling. filling that good old trundler quota.

 

How is Siraj trundlung ?

 

He is still bowling a significant % of his deliveries above 140 k with quickest in the range of 143 k to 145 k.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

How is Siraj trundlung ?

 

He is still bowling a significant % of his deliveries above 140 k with quickest in the range of 143 k to 145 k.

no zip. there is pace, but no zip. like pakistani mohd sami who hit 150 but was innocuous

[express bowling]

Just now, Vijy said:

no zip. there is pace, but no zip. like pakistani mohd sami who hit 150 but was innocuous

 

That's because Siraj uses cross seam deliveries a lot ... and these slow pitches need seam up deliveries like Shami and Bumrah are bowling and getting zip. 

 

What Siraj lacks is a bit of brains to read the conditions and bowl accordingly. 

[Suhaan]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

That's because Siraj uses cross seam deliveries a lot ... and these slow pitches need seam up deliveries like Shami and Bumrah are bowling and getting zip. 

 

What Siraj lacks is a bit of brains to read the conditions and bowl accordingly. 

Actually on a hard surface with dew his cross seamers can bring in few LBWs

But yes he needs to bank more on his stock deliveries,he tends to forget his strengths and stock deliveries

Which happens with Indian newcomers but he's quite experienced now to know this

We can say for Umran or even Prasidh,but Siraj should now take some responsibility,he seems to loose control and doesn't have a plan B to stem the flow of runs

Really good to see TM backs him,we need such characters,just a bit needs to use his mind

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

That's because Siraj uses cross seam deliveries a lot ... and these slow pitches need seam up deliveries like Shami and Bumrah are bowling and getting zip. 

 

What Siraj lacks is a bit of brains to read the conditions and bowl accordingly. 

but the question is whether he can land it consistently on the seam, even if someone tells him to do it

[express bowling]

59 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Actually on a hard surface with dew his cross seamers can bring in few LBWs

 

Yes, when used as a variation.

 

But Siraj over does it.  And his other deliveries have messed up seam position too as a result of too many cross seamers. 

 

His ball release of normal deliveries gets affected. 

 

59 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

But yes he needs to bank more on his stock deliveries,he tends to forget his strengths and stock deliveries

Which happens with Indian newcomers but he's quite experienced now to know this

We can say for Umran or even Prasidh,but Siraj should now take some responsibility,he seems to loose control and doesn't have a plan B to stem the flow of runs

Really good to see TM backs him,we need such characters,just a bit needs to use his mind

 

Yes.

Edited October 30, 2023 by express bowling

[rollingstoned]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If Prasidh was available, I would have dropped Siraj in a jiffy.

 

Now the situation is tough.

 

If Bumrah and Shami bowl with the new ball then Shardul as one change means pressure is reduced and fear factor is reduced too.

 

If I were the captain then I would take Siraj aside and tell him to bowl in better areas and with more intensity. 

 

But it is good to rest him against weak teams.

Doe Siraj have the old ball skills though to operate as first change? His strengths are with the new ball where he can break the back of batting line ups in the first PP itself. I don't think he will be dropped personally despite his performance, probably rightfully so. He has earned some rope abd in a tournament unless there are injuries you should stick with the best xi you have selected. 

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, Vijy said:

but the question is whether he can land it consistently on the seam, even if someone tells him to do it

 

He can when he is not bowling too many cross seamers. Siraj is not Bumrah who can bowl lots of variations perfectly at will.

 

Siraj needs to get in the groove and get in rhythm to execute any kind of delivery. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by express bowling

[rollingstoned]

It is good to see Bumrah consistently picking up new ball wickets now. There was a time when he was equally as culpable as Bhuvi for our lack of PP wickets which meant even our spinners weren't as effective because they were bowling to set batsmen who had a good platform already. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rollingstoned said:

Doe Siraj have the old ball skills though to operate as first change? His strengths are with the new ball where he can break the back of batting line ups in the first PP itself. I don't think he will be dropped personally despite his performance, probably rightfully so. He has earned some rope abd in a tournament unless there are injuries you should stick with the best xi you have selected. 

 

 

Siraj must bowl with the new ball if he plays. 

 

And he will definitely play unless Hardik is 100% bowling fit and that is unlikely. 

[rollingstoned]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Siraj is showing what the difference in pace can do - Same bowler same skill but bowling at slower pace.

 

We are already seeing this with Rabada, Shaheen

He's bowling at his usual speeds,.not far off Shamis average actually but he looks slower because he is not getting anwuhere near the same zip that Shami and even Bumrah are.  He was probably bowling with the handbrake on after he hurt his hand yday. 

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

It is good to see Bumrah consistently picking up new ball wickets now. There was a time when he was equally as culpable as Bhuvi for our lack of PP wickets which meant even our spinners weren't as effective because they were bowling to set batsmen who had a good platform already. 

Yes but we enter the next phase where teams will come with plans

Maybe play out Bumrah and attack others where our other bowlers need to pull their socks up

Equally they will bave opportunities to get them cheaply,now it will be all about team effort