Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

We waste pace prospects for pennies.No other country does that because no nation produces this much as we waste,and nowhere else is it wasted on such a scale.If we could bring even 50 %of them into mainstream cricket and the national reckoning, we would have become an undisputed pace bowling powerhouse by now

Saying Ind cricket waste pacers because they produces a lot of pacers is false argument.

 

Ind cricket waste high pace bowlers because of inherent systemic dislike towards pace and general lack of understanding, this is a same reason Ind does not produce allrounders and big turning spineers.

 

High pace bowlers req. lot of attention , care and time to develop similar to allrounders and big turning spinners.

 

Thunders does not req. anything same as non- turning spinners , bowlers just need to give fake sense of control over the game to captain and tm that is good or v.good to them.

 

[Need4Speed]

9 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

One more clip... He bowled the Fastest of 146k.. batsmen getting beaten for pace 

 

Pranav Raghvendra is also playing TNPL btw

 

Happy to see DD bowling in 140s.. really likef his bumpers when we first saw him..good to see his yorkers too

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Saying Ind cricket waste pacers because they produces a lot of pacers is false argument.

 

Ind cricket waste high pace bowlers because of inherent systemic dislike towards pace and general lack of understanding, this is a same reason Ind does not produce allrounders and big turning spineers.

 

High pace bowlers req. lot of attention , care and time to develop similar to allrounders and big turning spinners.

 

Thunders does not req. anything same as non- turning spinners , bowlers just need to give fake sense of control over the game to captain and tm that is good or v.good to them.

 

 

I think he meant that we get so many pace  bowling resources that many other teams cant even dream about, yet we surprisingly out do ourselves by wasting each of them for those 125kph, 4 feet 6 inch trundlers.

 

Frustration is increasing with each passing day. You see so many careers getting sabotaged because our ex cricketers have zero knowledge of fast bowling. Even like of Ashwin, who I regarded as an intelligent one is now giving dumb talks regarding selection of Bhuvaneshwar Kumar in ODI WC 2027...is he simply not aware how well Shri Bhuvaneshwar Kumar has performed in ODIs ?

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Any pace data for Raghvendra ?

No idea bro .. the team he is part of (defending champions) he was in subs.

Natarjan is in that team.

[vvvslaxman]

14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

So much to like about Deepesh already.  The kid is special @express bowling @Mosher

 

He can be our Neil Wagner. Relentless bouncer bowler. Ambrish is another guy with all round skills.

[vvvslaxman]

IPL.is the gateway for fast bowlers.  Almost all our fast bowlers get noticed there before making debut.

[singhvivek141]

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He can be our Neil Wagner. Relentless bouncer bowler. Ambrish is another guy with all round skills.

How tall is he ? Looks 5.10ish to me.

With Bumrah at the edge of his career and Siraj maybe losing his ability in a year or two. We need young fast bowlers, desperately.

 

Gurnoor, Tyagi, Prasidh are blessed with height and pace.

Mayank, Ashok has express pace

Akashdeep, Harshit provides decent pace with ability to bat.

Eden Apple Tom provides low trajectory reverse, should be drafted in asap. His speed is also in late 130s to early 140s.

[express bowling]

38 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

How tall is he ? Looks 5.10ish to me.

 

Deepesh looks about 6'1" or 6'0" to me.  Clearly taller than most of his team mates in U19.

 

 

38 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

With Bumrah at the edge of his career and Siraj maybe losing his ability in a year or two. We need young fast bowlers, desperately.

 

Experts talking about younsta Bhuvi.

 

38 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Gurnoor, Tyagi, Prasidh are blessed with height and pace.

Mayank, Ashok has express pace

Akashdeep, Harshit provides decent pace with ability to bat.

Eden Apple Tom provides low trajectory reverse, should be drafted in asap. His speed is also in late 130s to early 140s.

 

Personally I am in favour of focusing on

 

Gurnoor .. Tests, ODIs

Ashok .. Teats, ODIs

Prasidh .. Tests, ODIs

 

Mayank .. ODIs, T20Is

Tyagi .. ODIs, T20Is

Harshit .. ODIs, T20Is

 

Tarmale .. groom

Deepesh .. groom

Raghavendra .. groom

 

 

Edited August 6 by express bowling

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

He can be our Neil Wagner. Relentless bouncer bowler. Ambrish is another guy with all round skills.

His fuller length balls were the issue in U19 WC..  he has definately improved in that aspect.  Pace is obviously increasing as he is growing up and muscles are maturing.

 

His father being an ex TN cricketer will help this guy to constantly work on himself.

 

Ambrish is an okayish guy he needs to improve his batting to be in reckoning to start playing for SRH next season.

Edited August 6 by Lone Wolf

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

How tall is he ? Looks 5.10ish to me.

With Bumrah at the edge of his career and Siraj maybe losing his ability in a year or two. We need young fast bowlers, desperately.

 

Gurnoor, Tyagi, Prasidh are blessed with height and pace.

Mayank, Ashok has express pace

Akashdeep, Harshit provides decent pace with ability to bat.

Eden Apple Tom provides low trajectory reverse, should be drafted in asap. His speed is also in late 130s to early 140s.

Not very tall not very short like Neil wagner. Saw him in Tests in Australia. He hurt players with sharp and accurate bouncers. 

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Not very tall not very short like Neil wagner. Saw him in Tests in Australia. He hurt players with sharp and accurate bouncers. 

 

Deepesh is taller and much quicker than Wagner. Has developed a better fullish ball too.

 

And his action has a deceptive last minute whip which Wagner lacked. 

 

There is a good chance that Deepesh will end up being a 140 to 150 k pacer by age 23.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Deepesh is taller and much quicker than Wagner. Has developed a better fullish ball too.

 

And his action has a deceptive last minute whip which Wagner lacked. 

 

There is a good chance that Deepesh will end up being a 140 to 150 k pacer by age 23.

 

From 1:50 you can see his bowling. Whole match is here. He was 17 then

 

 

[tapandrun]

Deepesh is fastest bowler in tnpl ever, warrier also bowls high 130s to mid 140s kmph, pitch was not tht responsive but he bowled with pace.

 

Do not think any batter other than Sai (if he is playing this season)will be comfortable facing him , rest all bowlers are sub 130 kmph highest they reach is 133 kmph. So a big diff.

 

Deepeash bowled with pace think 4th over was his fastest , unless a slower-one he was bowling 138-146 kmph, think raghv is also selected but has not played a game yet.

 

Hope the bowlers gets responsive pitches. 

 

And speedometer are accurate too, gurjap and warrier were bowling same pace in ipl too, may be bit faster in ipl by putting extra effort.

Edited August 6 by tapandrun

[Need4Speed]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Deepesh is taller and much quicker than Wagner. Has developed a better fullish ball too.

 

And his action has a deceptive last minute whip which Wagner lacked. 

 

There is a good chance that Deepesh will end up being a 140 to 150 k pacer by age 23.

Due to his action Mostly he bowls incoming deliveries with pace..that will tuck the batters and will make them play..he just need to develop a delivery which holds its line.,like Pat Cummins..Boom..may be use cross seam occasionally like Cummins to get some natural variation..

if he develops it..will be tough to face..

[Suhaan]

Need to see what pace Raghvendra is bowling in tnpl

[tapandrun]

Ambrish (tnpl) bowled ~135 kmph fastest 137 kmph, bowled good 1st over little expensive in 2nd and didnt bowl after that.

 

Shahruk was his captain they had already won the game should have given more overs to him

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Ambrish (tnpl) bowled ~135 kmph fastest 137 kmph, bowled good 1st over little expensive in 2nd and didnt bowl after that.

 

Shahruk was his captain they had already won the game should have given more overs to him

 

Thats like the pace of Praful Hinge.

Decent but he has to bring something exceptional to the table.

Btw...that behavior from Shahrukh is pretty normal. No cricketer cares about fast bowling in India (except a few)....everyone is all about batsman & their friends in bowling.

 

[JaFanatic]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Need to see what pace Raghvendra is bowling in tnpl

Pranavs team playing today. I hope they play him. Pace is his usp

[bouncers]

54 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Thats like the pace of Praful Hinge.

Decent but he has to bring something exceptional to the table.

Btw...that behavior from Shahrukh is pretty normal. No cricketer cares about fast bowling in India (except a few)....everyone is all about batsman & their friends in bowling.

 

He is all rounder

[JaFanatic]

13 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Deepesh is fastest bowler in tnpl ever, warrier also bowls high 130s to mid 140s kmph, pitch was not tht responsive but he bowled with pace.

 

Do not think any batter other than Sai (if he is playing this season)will be comfortable facing him , rest all bowlers are sub 130 kmph highest they reach is 133 kmph. So a big diff.

 

Deepeash bowled with pace think 4th over was his fastest , unless a slower-one he was bowling 138-146 kmph, think raghv is also selected but has not played a game yet.

 

Hope the bowlers gets responsive pitches. 

 

And speedometer are accurate too, gurjap and warrier were bowling same pace in ipl too, may be bit faster in ipl by putting extra effort.

Deepesh is quick but still not as quick as Pranav