Ishant -- Temporary form or something to be excited about??

[Texan]

I do hope so, but having seen his career over the last 7 years, I am not so confident.

[rkt.india]

Most teams desire 3 good bowlers with the 4th as weakest link being someone who supports and is in & out of team on a rotational basis TBH I don't think we will get to the point where we have 3 premier bowlers who will be a mainstay regardless of conditions and venue; Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant..... whatever the pool is will go through phases of good and bad & this is why we will keep seeing someone who was flavor of the month becoming the ire of fans next series. As good as Bhuvi is doing this series (batting helps too) Shami may completely outshine him in the next series depending on conditions & competition But yes point about fitness is very valid- also not sure if you saw the analysis of bowling actions in this match; I am concerned about how long Bhuvi will last because he bowls with his back really arched and head coming over his arm whereas the modern action in bowling for long term is you bowl with head coming under the arm on delivery. so its now only fitness its also wear and tear & bowling coach needs to make sure that long term is considered besides short term

The reason he is not able sustain steam in test. His action tires him out early. With Shami, it is about fitness. He was pretty fit in SA and NZ and did maintain intensity for long.

[Cricket_Hacker]

In 2014 Ishant has 25 wickets in 4 tests @ 26.48.Pretty impressive i'd say

[Pagalpanti]

If Ishant can find his role in the team as a bowler who bounces out batsman with occasional spell of reverse swing, he could be pretty lethal with his height and built. Only thing is he needs to stick to it, he keeps confusing himself trying to copy others..

[suraj]

The reason he is not able sustain steam in test. His action tires him out early. With Shami' date= it is about fitness. He was pretty fit in SA and NZ and did maintain intensity for long.

Yes even Virat called him the laziest player albeit on a comedy show. Hope someone works with him on that- you need to be a lean mean machine to be a good bowler for long and we need him

[gakgupta]

Few tours back' date=' Shami was undroppable. Now he is the one who will get kicked out if they bring in new bowler. There is no real consistency among the bowlers.[/quote'] dropping shami will be a mistake ..... He is slowly getting into the groove and once he gets his mojo back, he will be lethal. He bloody has everything as bowler should have 1) Pace 2) Attitude_ 3) Conventional swing 4) Reverse swing. What the hell you want more from pace bowler... Yeahhh, accuracy and patience is missing but pace bowler will take time to develop and he is just few months old for intl cricket. Even, Dale steryn was inconsistent early on and was even dropped once.

[ThePhenomenal1]

bhuvi shami and ishant need to be persisted with. add a 4th seamer to increase competition. we definitely need to rotate seamers so go to win 3rd test and that could give us option of resting bhuvi or shami or ishant. aaron and pankaj can do well

[adi B]

I agree with zep that pishant has tightened up his line and bowling a better length.his seam position is still horrible though but a definite improvement

[SLICKR392]

Can he still up his pace? Like hitting early 140s consistently?

[BlueBee]

Can he still up his pace? Like hitting early 140s consistently?

Sure. His bowling is open-chested. He has improved though he needs to be sideways.

[saneindian]

Purely from stats perspective Zaheer after 57 tests, 105 innings, 184 wickets@34 with 6 5-ers, SR of 61 Ishant after 57 tests, 100 innings, 174 wickets@37 with 6 5-ers, SR of 66 Zaheer obviously became a better bowler from his 45th test onwards, remains to be seen if Ishant can have that 3-4 year period like Zak had from 2007-2010

[rkt.india]

Can he still up his pace? Like hitting early 140s consistently?

yes, its about confidence. His pace will get if his runup gets better.

[renjith]

Can he still up his pace? Like hitting early 140s consistently?

he has already done that (bowling above 140+ consistently). So there is no reason why he can't do it again if the technical issues with his action are corrected. But we certainly can't play him in another 50 tests expecting this to happen in every new game :haha:

[putrevus]

let us wait till next test, and till end of the series .

[Silva]

No he is the same bowler. After ishants 34th test he had taken 111 wickets at an average of 31, after that his average went up not so much because of a decline in his bowling but because the opposition and pitches became more difficult to bowl on. He was always the kind of bowler that can beat down on weak batting line ups on good pitches because he can bowl a lot of overs with the same amount of intensity (and natural bounce with his height) without breaking down. But that's a doubled edged sword because he can also take the most beating on good batting pitches for that very same reason.

[rkt.india]

No he is the same bowler. After ishants 34th test he had taken 111 wickets at an average of 31' date=' after that his average went up not so much because of a decline in his bowling but because the opposition and pitches became more difficult to bowl on. He was always the kind of bowler that can beat down on weak batting line ups on good pitches because he can bowl a lot of overs with the same amount of intensity (and natural bounce with his height) without breaking down. But that's a doubled edged sword because he can also take the most beating on good batting pitches for that very same reason.[/quote'] No, he declined big time. Before WI series in India in 2011, his average in India was 27-28 for over 50 wickets in about 13 tests but has been abysmal since then. It doesnt mean pitches changed in India. It means he declined.

[Old guy]

No' date=' he declined big time. Before WI series in India in 2011, his average in India was 27-28 for over 50 wickets in about 13 tests but has been abysmal since then. It doesnt mean pitches changed in India. It means he declined.[/quote'] Yep ...but it find it funny that as his pace increased he lost another things and now that he is back to 130s with occasional 140 ball his seam is correct and he is bowling tight :cantstop:

[rkt.india]

Yep ...but it find it funny that as his pace increased he lost another things and now that he is back to 130s with occasional 140 ball his seam is correct and he is bowling tight :cantstop:

They are not corelated. He is bowling 130 for last 2 years, but seam improved now. Loss of pace can be attributed to his shortened runup to some extent.

[Old guy]

They are not corelated. He is bowling 130 for last 2 years' date=' but seam improved now. Loss of pace can be attributed to his shortened runup to some extent.[/quote'] What about control ?

[rkt.india]

What about control ?

control comes when he get his action and wrist position right. He used fall to left, left shoulder falling to early. It still happens sometimes. He needs to stay away from,making changes and try to repeat the same action again again which makes things fall in place for him.