rkt.india Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Here even Chappel talks about how this holding the one end thing is so crap which is Dhoni implying with Jadeja. http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/video_audio/764765.html
Insidious Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Dhoni has been crap with selection policy too. Going with only 4 bowlers and that too in a 5 match test series!! Make it even worse when your lone spinner is used as a defensive option. That means 3 seamers have to attack and take almost all the wickets, for the whole 5 tests . what a pathetic strategy! That is the reason why Ishant got injured, and i feared even Bhuvi will follow soon. Ideally it should have been ashwin+4 seamers or 2 spinners + 3 seamers. But we have Dhoni and his Gut feeling :facepalm:
MCcricket Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I agree fully with the article , it is just selectors are blind.
maniac Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Has no option with jadeja....you can't expect him to bowl an attacking line with his ability but I guess it is good for what it's worth....as I said jadeja is not good enough to make the side as a spinner alone and his batting is not good enough to he considered an allrounder....I rate binny a better batsman than him and that should say something.....he is doing well in his role within his ability but that is not the way to go.
CSK Fan Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Has no option with jadeja..... Dude, he selected him over Ashwin didn't he? You cannot say he had no option when he was the one who selected him and clearly had this plan all along
maniac Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Dude' date=' he selected him over Ashwin didn't he? You cannot say he had no option when he was the one who selected him and clearly had this plan all along[/quote'] Yeah selection was wrong but I am talking about on field strategy with jadeja ....overall a f up by captain cool agree but it is a recipe for disaster if he expects jaddu to bowl an attacking line.
kubrickian Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Indian spinners are so used to bowling on the dust bowls at home and picking plenty of wickets on them that if they play on any pitch which doesnt turn square, they will be ineffective. The rank turners won't help Indian team grow at all. The seamers will remain spectators because spinners will be doing all the bowling and it won't help them improve their game. Jadeja has good control and stamina to bowl consistent line and length for many overs and can put pressure and bowl economically but he doesnt have the variety and skills that Ashwin has. Ashwin doesnt have the consistency that you need in foreign conditions because the conditions don't assist you. He bowls a few deliveries wide or on legs in every over and allows the batsmen to get off strike. Good spinner overseas = Jadeja's consistency + Ashwin's skills. I think Ojha is a better bet than these two bowlers but he can't bat and we seem to put a lot of importance on batting even for the tail nowadays.
rkt.india Posted July 28, 2014 Author Posted July 28, 2014 Dude' date=' he selected him over Ashwin didn't he? You cannot say he had no option when he was the one who selected him and clearly had this plan all along[/quote'] I know why Ashwin has not been selected or even bowled much in both warmups. Before this tour, Ashwin said he does not to bowl as a defensive or containing option as he has been used in Aus and then 1st test in SA which is not his natural bowling style. and I guess Dhoni must have heard that and he did not like Ashwin blabbering in the media because I was wondering why he has been written off so early and not given much bowling even in warmups to bowl and stake his claim again. It might look like a conspiracy theory, but I do not find any logical answer to this puzzle.
kubrickian Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I know why Ashwin has not been selected or even bowled much in both warmups. Before this tour' date=' Ashwin said he does not to bowl as a defensive or containing option as he has been used in Aus and then 1st test in SA which is not his natural bowling style. and I guess Dhoni must have heard that and he did not like Ashwin blabbering in the media because I was wondering why he has been written off so early and not given much bowling even in warmups to bowl and stake his claim again. It might look like a conspiracy theory, but I do not find any logical answer to this puzzle.[/quote'] Ashwin bowled poorly in the warm up games too. He gave away something like 4+ RPO against a county side and didnt pick any wickets.
rkt.india Posted July 28, 2014 Author Posted July 28, 2014 Ashwin bowled poorly in the warm up games too. He gave away something like 4+ RPO against a county side and didnt pick any wickets. He hardly bowled much. Another thing if you are not going to play him then why carrying him. Then bring someone else who you think can do a job. Jadeja too did zilch on last tour in NZ.
CSK Fan Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I know why Ashwin has not been selected or even bowled much in both warmups. Before this tour' date=' Ashwin said he does not to bowl as a defensive or containing option as he has been used in Aus and then 1st test in SA which is not his natural bowling style. and I guess Dhoni must have heard that and he did not like Ashwin blabbering in the media because I was wondering why he has been written off so early and not given much bowling even in warmups to bowl and stake his claim again. It might look like a conspiracy theory, but I do not find any logical answer to this puzzle.[/quote'] Makes sense. He hates players blaming tactics on him but does take credit when we win. There is no doubt he has often asked bowlers to bowl defensively and likes to run a tight ship
Fontaine Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Makes sense. He hates players blaming tactics on him but does take credit when we win. There is no doubt he has often asked bowlers to bowl defensively and likes to run a tight ship Uh, no. It's pretty simple. The Captain has control on the field. If a bowler can't/won't bowl economically at times then that bowler isn't likely to see the field. Especially one who is stupid enough to state that openly in the media.
Sachinism Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Dhoni has been crap with selection policy too. Going with only 4 bowlers and that too in a 5 match test series!! Make it even worse when your lone spinner is used as a defensive option. That means 3 seamers have to attack and take almost all the wickets' date=' for the whole 5 tests . what a pathetic strategy! That is the reason why Ishant got injured, and i feared even Bhuvi will follow soon. Ideally it should have been ashwin+4 seamers or 2 spinners + 3 seamers. But we have Dhoni and his Gut feeling :facepalm:[/quote'] This. Poor decision making has been costing us for too long
zep1706 Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 It's pretty easy to see why. It's no secret that Dhoni is primarily a defensive captain. Until last year he used to spread the field whenever there was a 50 runs partnership. In the last couple of tests he has tried to be a little more aggressive with his field placings. But deep down he still prefers defense. With 1-0 up in the series he decided to play safe. He is not Michael Clarke whose primary aim is to win test matches, every single one of them. Dhoni would be very happy to draw the next three and win the series 1-0.
CG Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Dhoni has tactics? :giggle:Yup he himself said he bel;ieves in his gut.all these talk is meaningless.
adi B Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 It's pretty easy to see why. It's no secret that Dhoni is primarily a defensive captain. Until last year he used to spread the field whenever there was a 50 runs partnership. In the last couple of tests he has tried to be a little more aggressive with his field placings. But deep down he still prefers defense. With 1-0 up in the series he decided to play safe. He is not Michael Clarke whose primary aim is to win test matches' date=' every single one of them. Dhoni would be very happy to draw the next three and win the series 1-0.[/quote'] Completely agree
express bowling Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 It's pretty easy to see why. It's no secret that Dhoni is primarily a defensive captain. Until last year he used to spread the field whenever there was a 50 runs partnership. In the last couple of tests he has tried to be a little more aggressive with his field placings. But deep down he still prefers defense. With 1-0 up in the series he decided to play safe. He is not Michael Clarke whose primary aim is to win test matches' date=' every single one of them. Dhoni would be very happy to draw the next three and win the series 1-0.[/quote'] Agree.
CSK Fan Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 :giggle:Yup he himself said he bel;ieves in his gut.all these talk is meaningless. Dhoni's brains
JourneyMan Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I don't blame him for picking Jaddu over Ashwin. Jadeja has looked more promising overseas than Ashwin has. It hasn't quite worked out for him this series (so far) but he has been a wicket taker for us (and a crucial one at times).
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