vvvslaxman Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 This is my view also... Raina was vilified for the failure against the same English side.. but not kohli.... Infact Raina contributed much more than current kohli ... He deserved to be dropped. Kohli walking into the series was undroppable and future no.4 player for years. Raina always played his last test as his technique and temperament was questionable. So lee way he got was less. If we start drawing parallel then badrinath will ask why me, binny will ask why me after 2 tests, .. you basically make a judgemental call .
oneANDone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Kohli walking into the series was undroppable and future no.4 player for years. Raina always played his last test as his technique and temperament was questionable. So lee way he got was less. If we start drawing parallel then badrinath will ask why me' date=' binny will ask why me after 2 tests, .. you basically make a judgemental call .[/quote'] So is kohli's technique... If u feed him balls outside off stump continuosly he will poke at one. My point is Raina is much more determined and valuable than him.
vvvslaxman Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 So is kohli's technique... If u feed him balls outside off stump continuosly he will poke at one. My point is Raina is much more determined and valuable than him. Yes.. Kohli for the first time he has displayed such weakness in sequence.
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 So is kohli's technique... If u feed him balls outside off stump continuosly he will poke at one. My point is Raina is much more determined and valuable than him. He was able to play out Steyn's banana swings in SA. Think it is more form than technique. He is playing at balls he should be leaving (he did in SA) because he is circumspect
Number Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 People comparing Raina and Kohli should never watch test cricket.
adi B Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 i know kohli has his weaknesses but comparing him to raina is just blasphemy in test matches!!
someone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Kohli walking into the series was undroppable and future no.4 player for years. Raina always played his last test as his technique and temperament was questionable. But isn't that the real issue, why do we always have this undroppable culture? We had this with Sachin, he cost us several games during his final years of cricket. Ganguly was another one. And today, Dhoni is another one who has gotten this undroppable tag and thus no criticism or questions are allowed upon him. About Raina, he is a hardworking player who knows his limitations but yet is willing to address it. That's a good sign and every team could do with such a player. Why do we often see the brand name of the players to make decisions. Some players, we give them far too much time and opportunities while some are just dropped at a single failure.
someone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 i know kohli has his weaknesses but comparing him to raina is just blasphemy in test matches!! Using a player's 3 years old ago performance to now certainly isn't right and actually stupid. Raina is a good option, so do not rule him out.
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 But isn't that the real issue, why do we always have this undroppable culture? We had this with Sachin, he cost us several games during his final years of cricket. Ganguly was another one. And today, Dhoni is another one who has gotten this undroppable tag and thus no criticism or questions are allowed upon him. About Raina, he is a hardworking player who knows his limitations but yet is willing to address it. That's a good sign and every team could do with such a player. Why do we often see the brand name of the players to make decisions. Some players, we give them far too much time and opportunities while some are just dropped at a single failure. ^^^ Isn't this but common sense. Someone who has scuceded before can succeed again. It is nothing to do with big names or being undroppable but to do with what they have achieved till them Kohli has just one single bad series. Who hasnt had bad series? Bradman? Sachin, Lara? Were they dropped? No because they always had the good in them. And the laughable comment that Sachin cost many games when we see now that at best we are still doing as bad as that. Dhoni too was given a long enough run of 3+ years now. Good players deserve some leeway. No one is a machine who can perform every series One thing. Kohli is being given a chance because unlike Raina he has SUCCEEDED in the past overseas and in tests, This is his first fail series
oneANDone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 People comparing Raina and Kohli should never watch test cricket. Ur post refers more hate than knowledge.
express bowling Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 The main issue seems to be ... our young batters maynot be as serious about tests as the last generation. They are obviously talented. But have to focus on too many formats ... others being easier and more lucrative. I don't know whether the ongoing and future generation of batters will have the required motivation for tests.
peterparker Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Yes.. Kohli for the first time he has displayed such weakness in sequence. Not for the first time, he had struggled in windies too, in 2011. The innings at perth was the one where he did not struggle.
FreakazoiD Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Kohli has had "just one" bad series, yes, but this is a 5-match series, and so counts for more. This could easily have been two 2-test series, he would then have failed in two series! I think bowlers have worked him out. In SA they were bowling straight to him to trap him lbw. Anderson has worked out a weakness and exploiting it. I wouldn't drop him just yet, give him one more series and see if he can come back stronger.
someone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 ^^^ Isn't this but common sense. Someone who has scuceded before can succeed again. It is nothing to do with big names or being undroppable but to do with what they have achieved till them Kohli has just one single bad series. Who hasnt had bad series? Bradman? Sachin, Lara? Were they dropped? No because they always had the good in them. And the laughable comment that Sachin cost many games when we see now that at best we are still doing as bad as that. One thing. Kohli is being given a chance because unlike Raina he has SUCCEEDED in the past overseas and in tests, This is his first fail series Kohli can be given the chance, that is fine but till when? Like Sachin in his final cricketing year was a liability and I am surprised you have forgotten that. Of course, Kohli's situation is way different but let's not take it for granted and give Kohli the undroppable tag. And the idea that other players should not be given chance just because they failed some time back is absurd.
bowl_out Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I'm not asking for Kohli to be dropped from the test side. That would be crazy.... But given the form he is in, he surely needs a break to recuperate. I would replace him with Naman Ojha in the next test. He has been in good form recently and surely can't do worse than Kohli.
rkt.india Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 No. He shouldn't be dropped yet. We don't have some proven performers waiting in wings and he has done well enough in previous series. However' date=' this is an eye opener to people you had started putting him in league of Sachin and Dravid. I don't recall any long series where either of these two perfomed so poorly for such long stretch.[/quote'] 99 Aus tour, Dravid hardly showed up.
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 rohit sharma is the most inferior batsman in the entire squad, but desperate times need desperate measures. we need to drop jadeja and gambhir and either pick ishwar pandey and rohit sharma my lineup for the next game vijay pujara rahane kohli rohit ashwin dhoni bhuvi aaron ishant/shami pandey
vvvslaxman Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Not for the first time, he had struggled in windies too, in 2011. The innings at perth was the one where he did not struggle. I meant in sequence... This was like how Wasim Jaffer got out to Brett Lee repeatedly. Almost the same way he gets out to Anderson here.
Insidious Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 He is a class player but just need to show some patience. He loves to drive the ball especially, especially that cover drive. He needs to avoid that. Just he need to look at sachin and how he scored that 241 at sydney with out playing a single drive through the off side. Kohli need to show that type of temparement if he indeed the successor of the great man. Just having talent is not enough!
CSK Fan Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Kohli can be given the chance, that is fine but till when? Like Sachin in his final cricketing year was a liability and I am surprised you have forgotten that. Of course, Kohli's situation is way different but let's not take it for granted and give Kohli the undroppable tag. And the idea that other players should not be given chance just because they failed some time back is absurd. For how long? It has only been 4 tests for feck's sake. And is the double standards in defensing Dhoni for 3 long years and crucifying Kohli based on not even one complete series, with one match left, only obvious to me? Yes, Sachin was a liability in his last year, but he had an outstanding 2010, had an ok next couple of years. So unless you are Nostradamus's uncle, how on earth could you have predicted he would do bad last year? Players of his class do have bad couple of series and then bounce back. This is nothing to do wot being droppable or undroppable but a gamble people take about form, class and youth. Sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't
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