fineleg Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 This is not a new injury in the match. Is sub fielder allowed when Aus bowl, if Clarke came into match with injury? If rules dont allow it, then Kohli needs to enforce it as per the lawbook rules. Clarke knew the injury when he came into the 11. Aus Team management need to cop the decision, they took the risk and they got the bonus of a fluent 60 by Clarke. But they should play by the rule book. Kohli - Pls. dont do a "MSD or Tendulkar" and act over helpful. Enforce the rules.
gattaca Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 we shouldnt allow him one. just to rub it in and it will mess up there feild. 1.Substitutes and Runners (a) If the umpires are satisfied that a nominated player has been injured or become ill since the nomination of the players, they shall allow that player to have, (i) a substitute acting for him in the field. (ii) a runner when batting. Any injury or illness that occurs at any time after the nomination of the players until the conclusion of the match shall be allowable, irrespective of whether play is in progress or not. (b) The umpires shall have discretion to allow, for other wholly acceptable reasons, a substitute fielder or a runner to act for a nominated player, at the start of the match, or at any subsequent time. © A player wishing to change his shirt, boots, etc. shall leave the field to do so. No substitute shall be allowed for him. http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-2-substitutes-and-runners-batsman-or-fielder-leaving-the-field-batsman-retiring-or-batsman-commencing-innings/
beetle Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Oh c'mon.He obviously was match fit.Old injuries can reappear.If God forbid...Aaron 's injury reappears and he can't take the field...would you still want the rule enforced.The fact that he probably won't bat is enough. We don't need to be petty for being aggressive.
gattaca Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Oh c'mon.He obviously was match fit.Old injuries can reappear.If God forbid...Aaron 's injury reappears and he can't take the field...would you still want the rule enforced.The fact that he probably won't bat is enough. We don't need to be petty for being aggressive. He was not fit coming in to the match and everyone knows that. He forced their selectors on this.
Kalia_Test Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Grey area... Will be pretty cheap of us if we do this... There are many players from India who have/had some injury issues earlier....anyone can say they came to the match carrying that injury... I will be disappointed if we do this...this is not the India I know....aggression is fine but not cheapness....I would like to believe Clarke took field with full belief that he can carry through...bad luck...can happen to anyone...lets not tempt fate...
Kalia_Test Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Oh c'mon.He obviously was match fit.Old injuries can reappear.If God forbid...Aaron 's injury reappears and he can't take the field...would you still want the rule enforced.The fact that he probably won't bat is enough. We don't need to be petty for being aggressive. +1...very well said like a true Indian :two_thumbs_up:
kosingh Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 This is one of those regulations which is pretty much impossible to enforce. Especially after Clarke played fluently for 60 runs almost unaffected by injury.
Austin 3:!6 Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Oh c'mon.He obviously was match fit.Old injuries can reappear.If God forbid...Aaron 's injury reappears and he can't take the field...would you still want the rule enforced.The fact that he probably won't bat is enough. We don't need to be petty for being aggressive. Agree no need to do all those things. Aggression does not mean being petty.
fineleg Posted December 9, 2014 Author Posted December 9, 2014 Clarke was NOT 90-100% fit coming in. We rested MSD and Bhuvi as precaution. If team australia take a risk, they get the pros and cons of the risk. They got the pro 60 runs, con is they field 10. Remove his 60 runs from total and we can allow sub fielder?
kosingh Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Ganguly might have pushed for this if he was still Indian captain
shortbread Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Fortunately for whatever shortcomings it does have Indian cricket never stooped to such lows and will not be petty. A sub fielder will be allowed. The only people who might employ such tactics are the chappell brothers!!
fineleg Posted December 9, 2014 Author Posted December 9, 2014 shortbread, Following cricket laws is petty? If this was India doing it - including injured player in playing 11, you think opposition captains will just let us flagrantly violate cricket rules?
Old guy Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 He was not fit coming in to the match and everyone knows that. He forced their selectors on this. he batted and he scored runs that is good enough proof he was fit enough for match .
Lord Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 shortbread, Following cricket laws is petty? If this was India doing it - including injured player in playing 11, you think opposition captains will just let us flagrantly violate cricket rules? Yes.Can you cite any incident where they haven't?
G_B_ Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Well he clearly was not match fit. The Hughes death story totally covered up what was a bitter spat between the selectors who wanted clarke to prove his fitness and Clarke who claimed to be fit but did not want to play major cricket. Its over for clarke, australia will be really stupid to risk playing him. I thought Clarke handled himself extremely well in the whole Hughes issue. India IMO should not enforce anything. Australia are probably short of a batter in the second innings.
BeautifulGame Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Clarke was struggling for match fitness due to hamstring injury.Now he is struggling due to back spasms .So he was match fit when he started at least. Also the opposing caption don't have any power in disallowing sub fielders.Its umpire discretion. So moot point for Kohli.If he protests will only come out as cheap attempt
fineleg Posted December 9, 2014 Author Posted December 9, 2014 Nothing cheap if kohli requests for clearly written law to be enforced
AmreekanDesi Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Theres a diff between being aggressive and being cheap and petty.
AmreekanDesi Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Apart from the bad back, Clarke also has a longstanding issue of regularly tweaking his hamstring. So I expect him to be ruled out at some point in the series regardless.
zep1706 Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Now that he is batting and batting well enough I wonder if India would allow him a sub if he asks for one.
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