the don Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Aren't you getting a bit big for your shoes? India only has 1 more world trophy. And up till the champions trophy in 2013 Pakistan had made it to the semi-final in like 6 consecutive ICC tournaments' date=' more than any team.[/quote'] Let India figure out ways and theories to what works best for them , a number 7 ranked team in tests and ODIs for almost 90 percent of its existence is surely not good enough for a country like India with the passion and resources for the game ,time to show improvement don't you think , would be healthy for the other test playing nations if India starts providing a challenge, we should all be glad :icflove:
Vilander Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Let India figure out ways and theories to what works best for them ' date=' a number 7 ranked team in tests and ODIs for almost 90 percent of its existence is surely not good enough for a country like India with the passion and resources for the game ,time to show improvement don't you think , would be healthy for the other test playing nations if India starts providing a challenge, we should all be glad :icflove:[/quote'] 9-0 in WC and Wt20. :two_thumbs_up: You are our biatch when it matters.
jalebi_bhai Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Pakistan has 1 real WC which is the T20 2009 WC. 92 WC was a bottle cap WC win.
Kriterion Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 He should have been included. Would have been a wicket taking option in the middle overs. Even players like Milne and Cummins are expensive but they are there for the WC. He should have at least been the next in line but the selectors have chosen a player like Kulkarni:--D Its like the selectors have no plans for considering him in the ODI setting. Cant understand the reasoning behind this. Strike bowlers always have a role in ODIs Milne has an econ rate of 5...Aaron has an econ of 6.6 if Milne is expensive than Aaron is priceless.
MK55 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Milne has an econ rate of 5...Aaron has an econ of 6.6 if Milne is expensive than Aaron is priceless. Milne has a lower economy rate but has also played relatively more matches than Aaron. Cummins has a an ecr of around 5.8. Also Milne is competing with guys like Henry who missed the bus. Cummins is obviously competing with much superior Aus reserve bowlers than India. Aaron on the other hand has been ignored for players like Binny, kulkarni, Mohit.
vvvslaxman Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 In one dayers you need to think on feet. Mixing of slower ones, bouncers, wide yorkers.. with reasonable accuracy and thinking is essential. Sprayguns are the worst to have in one dayers. Yadav a certified spray gun. Aarpn after first match did not live upto his hype.. 6.24, 9.44, 6.00. 8.2, 7.42 Economy rate of Aaron this year.
vvvslaxman Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Bhuvan/Shami/Ishant are going to be in the play XI.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Aren't you getting a bit big for your shoes? India only has 1 more world trophy. And up till the champions trophy in 2013 Pakistan had made it to the semi-final in like 6 consecutive ICC tournaments' date=' more than any team.[/quote'] NZ has reached semis plenty of times as well but what's the use if you don't win? Read my siggy to see the chasm between India and Pakistan as far as performances in ICC tourneys are concerned. Be it World Cup, Champions Trophy or even Asia Cup we have more than twice the titles Pakistan has. In shorter format except Australia, no other team comes close to India as far as global titles are concerned. Once again check my siggy and in case you don't believe me check from other sources but the fact remains India has consistently outperformed Pakistan on a big stage.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 In FC cricket many average pace bowlers are doing well nowadays' date=' most pitches have 4 mm grass on them.He became sandeep marshall sharma.[/quote'] If that's the case why not Aaron and Umesh? how come they have crappy averages in domestic cricket? Sandeep Sharma has consistently averaged in low 20s since his u-19 days, i.e. for a good 4-5 years. If he doesn't deserve a chance even now then what exactly is he supposed to do?
rkt.india Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Similarly it also applies for Praveen kumar. He only played 2 matches in CB series 2008' date=' and performed well in finals. He was found out in CB series in 2012, and was dropped after his mediocre performance. It was Ishant sharma and his pace and intimidation that actually helped India to reach final in CB series 2008.[/quote'] And batting of SRT and GG. Ishant was a revelation in that series.
rkt.india Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 PK took 10 wkts in that series averaging below 20 IIRC and was outstanding in the finals. Smilarly he cleaned up SL in Asia Cup final and was consistnt throughout. Check the stats and you will see how PK's performance is not even in the same ballpark as Umesh Yadav's or Aaron's in any tourney. PK was instrumental in winning us 2 tourneys which I don't think we will ever see Yadav & Aaron boast of. You want to poke fun at PK' date=' go ahead but that doesn't change the fact PK has done more for the Indian team than Aaron & Yadav combined, and he averages lower than both of those "phaaaast" bowlers in every format as well.[/quote'] As far as I know PK averages 36 in ODI cricket with SR of 42. Aaron has a marginally higher average of 38 but better SR and has only played 9 games. Umesh has a marginally better average than PK at 35, SR of 36. Certainly better stats than PK. Also, these two have far more potential to become match winners.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 As far as I know PK averages 36 in ODI cricket with SR of 42. Aaron has a marginally higher average of 38 but better SR and has only played 9 games. Umesh has a marginally better average than PK at 35' date=' SR of 36. Certainly better stats than PK. Also, these two have far more potential to become match winners.[/quote'] Potential? Yadav has been around for more than 4 years with his second tour of Australia! If you're still hoping for the "potential" to result in anything you may as well go bring Irfan Pathan back as well. How long are we supposed to wait for this so called "potential" to translate in results? And shall we tell the other FC performers "Hold on. Wait. Let's give Umesh Lillee Yadav and Varun Thomson Aaron another 5 years". You can compare these jokers to PK all you want but the fact is PK was instrumental in winning us two tourneys.
rkt.india Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Couldn't have put it better. It's the performance and stats that should be the factor in selection and nothing else. Yes take a punt on a faster bowlr if the averages are in the same ballpark such as 25 compared to 22 but picking a pacer averaging 37 over someone averaging 22 with the ball? That's crazy and we saw the results in away Tests over the last year. I already told you don't take aaron's stats as a whole because before last year he was struggling with injuries and barely played two matches in a row in FC. He played 9-10 FC matches in 3 years, 2008-2011, because he was plagued with injuries then He missed next 2 years too due to injury and a surgery he underwent. Then he played a full season and averaged 20. Also, he doesn't get to bowl in bowling friendly conditions like Sandeep. Take a look at what Sandeep did on a flat track against Gujarat.
rkt.india Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Potential? Yadav has been around for more than 4 years with his second tour of Australia! If you're still hoping for the "potential" to result in anything you may as well go bring Irfan Pathan back as well. How long are we supposed to wait for this so called "potential" to translate in results? And shall we tell the other FC performers "Hold on. Wait. Let's give Umesh Lillee Yadav and Varun Thomson Aaron another 5 years". You can compare these jokers to PK all you want but the fact is PK was instrumental in winning us two tourneys. Umesh also was instrumental in CT. Was best fast bowler from both sides in the last ODI series he played. It is you who are hell bent on comparing stats. I did the same. For you, stats are everything. Regarding Irfan, he has never been fit to play even domestic since 2 years let alone international. Sane thing with PK who has barely played any domestic since 2011. Also, our pacers mature late, Zak took 6 -7 years to come good.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I already told you don't take aaron's stats as a whole because before last year he was struggling with injuries and barely played two matches in a row in FC. He played 9-10 FC matches in 3 years' date=' 2008-2011, because he was plagued with injuries then He missed next 2 years too due to injury and a surgery he underwent. Then he played a full season and averaged 20. Also, he doesn't get to bowl in bowling friendly conditions like Sandeep. Take a look at what Sandeep did on a flat track against Gujarat.[/quote'] All I know is Sandeep averages 22 with the ball and mighty Varun Aaron 37. You slice and dice any which way you want, Aaron doesn't deserve to be in the Indian team. If Sandeep has performed in "bowler friendly" conditions, that's more of a reason for him to be selected for Aus/Eng/SA tours as he knows how to make use of helpful tracks. He already showed during u-19 WC that he can do that, and we all saw what Aaron & Yadav did in the Test series where they couldn't even bowl line & length for a spell, forget troubling the batsmen. You may wait for their "potential" to be fulfilled but it's time they get sent to FC cricket and their spots be given to domestic performers.
Cricket_Hacker Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 All I know is Sandeep averages 22 with the ball and mighty Varun Aaron 37. You slice and dice any which way you want' date=' Aaron doesn't deserve to be in the Indian team. If Sandeep has performed in "bowler friendly" conditions, that's more of a reason for him to be selected for Aus/Eng/SA tours as he knows how to make use of helpful tracks. He already showed during u-19 WC that he can do that, and we all saw what Aaron & Yadav did in the Test series where they couldn't even bowl line & length for a spell, forget troubling the batsmen. You may wait for their "potential" to be fulfilled but it's time they get sent to FC cricket and their spots be given to domestic performers.[/quote'] which is why raw stats don't mean much.I mean take a look at Joginder Sharma's stats.Surely must be in our test team,right?
Ultimate_Game Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 which is why raw stats don't mean much.I mean take a look at Joginder Sharma's stats.Surely must be in our test team' date='right?[/quote'] The way Yadav & Aaron performed in Aus, Joginder would have been an upgrade. And as we speak Gurinder Sandhu from u-19 WC, where Sandeep was one of the bowlers of the tournament, makes his Aus debut... while Sandeep looks on from India despite performing at every level.
rkt.india Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 If that's the case why not Aaron and Umesh? how come they have crappy averages in domestic cricket? Sandeep Sharma has consistently averaged in low 20s since his u-19 days' date=' i.e. for a good 4-5 years. If he doesn't deserve a chance even now then what exactly is he supposed to do?[/quote'] Because they don't get to bowl on greentops. Once, Umesh got to bowl at Lahli on greentop, he skitteled Haryana for 55, taking 5/17. Also Umesh averaged 25 in FC when he was selected for India despite bowling mostly in flat pitches.
rkt.india Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 The way Yadav & Aaron performed in Aus' date=' Joginder would have been an upgrade. And as we speak Gurinder Sandhu from u-19 WC, where Sandeep was one of the bowlers of the tournament, makes his Aus debut... while Sandeep looks on from India despite performing at every level.[/quote'] Because Sandhu isnt a midget and bowls 10k quicker than Sandeep. You think Sandeep would have been selected if he was an Australian.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Because Sandhu isnt a midget and bowls 10k quicker than Sandeep. You think Sandeep would have been selected if he was an Australian. If Sandeep was an Australian and averaged 22 in domestic cricket he would definitely have gotten a call up. I would take a midget any day over the lumbering bufoons who go at 5 rpo in Tests.
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