CSK Fan Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 I don't know how true are the stands of the mob in this case. I mean this sort of punishment is justified in cases where the accused is proven guilty and substantial evidence is stacked up against him. These criminals should be given some inhuman treatment. If a terrorists don't think twice before killing innocent people, if a rapist do not think once for the victim or her family before committing the crime, why on earth should we not give them inhuman treatment? If that makes our mentality like terrorists, rapists so be it. There is a big difference, they do it on innocent people, we are doing it on criminals, so this is definitely justified. So wait, because terrorists murder, we also murder You want us to be JUST like the terrrists? Next because rapists, rape , we should rape. Because thieves steal, we should steal from them Instead of raising society, we should bring society to the terrorist and rapist's level is the entirety of your argument And no, every rapist, murder, terrorist always HAS reasons for doing their deed. If you can justify them, they can too. Just because you pretend to be righteous doesn't make you any more a murderer if you indulge in mob justice. You sitting and judging on the internet is exactly how the terrorist mentality works. In their eyes no one is innocent. Terrorists work on mob mentality just like you are advocating.
gaurav92 Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 So wait, because terrorists murder, we also murder You want us to be JUST like the terrrists? Next because rapists, rape , we should rape. Because thieves steal, we should steal from them Instead of raising society, we should bring society to the terrorist and rapist's level is the entirety of your argument And no, every rapist, murder, terrorist always HAS reasons for doing their deed. If you can justify them, they can too. Just because you pretend to be righteous doesn't make you any more a murderer if you indulge in mob justice. You sitting and judging on the internet is exactly how the terrorist mentality works. In their eyes no one is innocent. Terrorists work on mob mentality just like you are advocating. So now you are equating terrorists killing innocent people with people killing terrorists? You see no difference between the two ? With the point of terrorists having reasons for their deeds, now are you justifying terrorism? Are you saying that the terrorists have a motive and a reason to kill? What reason would they have to kill innocent people ? You can't be more wrong Sir. They are brainwashed, misguided, mentally detached with all emotions before they are trained to become terrorists. However, I would not like to equate terrorists with rapists, since both of them work on different mentality. Terrorists don't fear death, while rapists in more cases than not, do fear death. Next because rapists, rape , we should rape. Because thieves steal, we should steal from them So, this is what you conclude from my post? Nope, I did not mean even an iota of what you are suggesting here.
CSK Fan Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 So now you are equating terrorists killing innocent people with people killing terrorists? You see no difference between the two ? I am not justifying terrorism, you are To you, all criminals should be tortured and killed To terrorist, being a non-believer, doing non-halal things, praying to someone else is a bigger crime than murder, so they justify killing So, can you NOT see, that your idea of executing and torturing criminals is exactly what the terrorists, believe in? Don't most murderers justify killing in revenge which is exactly what you are also proposing? So' date=' this is what you conclude from my post? Nope, I did not mean even an iota of what you are suggesting here.[/quote'] So please tell me, when study after study has concluded that brutal punishments do not deter crime, why do you still want barbarism if not for some twisted idea of revenge?
CSK Fan Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 As I said earlier, there is a difference. The terrorists and rapists kill/harm innocent people whereas this would result in harming a criminal. I know its a bit difficult to draw the line, but if someone is proven guilty with substantial evidence and on conclusive grounds, I think it should be enough for him to face the consequences. The reason why the crime rate has gone up is primarily due to lack of fear amongst these *******s, once the consequences are crystal clear, I am sure the crime rate will go down. Evey study had proven that what you are thinking is WRONG But keep on repeating this a 100 times, that will make it true Every murderer wants to take revenge because he things the other guy was wrong. Exactly like you do
gaurav92 Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Evey study had proven that what you are thinking is WRONG But keep on repeating this a 100 times, that will make it true Every murderer wants to take revenge because he things the other guy was wrong. Exactly like you do So according to you, if a man rapes a woman, the woman is wrong (may be she refused to get raped and hence she was wrong) is at par with the mob thinking the guy was wrong (the guy who raped a girl), so one wrong each, lets not punish the wrong doer ? All I am saying is that, if a criminal is proven guilty with substantial evidence, there is nothing wrong in him getting punished brutally. Tit for tat I say.
gaurav92 Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 I am not justifying terrorism, you are To you, all criminals should be tortured and killed To terrorist, being a non-believer, doing non-halal things, praying to someone else is a bigger crime than murder, so they justify killing So, can you NOT see, that your idea of executing and torturing criminals is exactly what the terrorists, believe in? Don't most murderers justify killing in revenge which is exactly what you are also proposing? So please tell me, when study after study has concluded that brutal punishments do not deter crime, why do you still want barbarism if not for some twisted idea of revenge? Firstly, I am not saying brutally assault all criminals, read the post above, I was talking about rapists only. I gave examples of terrorism, but the case of terrorism is entirely different and the terrorists do not fear death, rapists do. So don't take rapists for all criminals. Secondly, criminals should not be tortured is what you suggesting? Don't you think, if someone sees a rapist getting brutally assaulted by public (or for that matter anyone), will that not leave a massive impact on the other wrong doers? It would be a lot more effective against crime. You've been talking about studies, can you quote me a few examples of studies that you are highlighting? How many of them were rapists and did they say that death in public does not discount them from raping someone ?
Captain Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 According to the police, Khan was accused of raping the girl, a college student, twice — first in a jungle near the Fourth-Mile area and later in a hotel. According to Jamir, CCTV footage showed the girl entering and leaving the hotel with the accused. “Why she accompanied the man even after she was allegedly raped in another place is still a mystery,†Jamir said. “The girl filed a complaint on February 24 alleging she was raped. We arrested the man under Sections 376, 344 and 363 of the IPC, and both were made to take a medical examination,†Jamir said. Khan and the alleged victim used to stay in the same compound behind Daroga Pathar village market complex. Could very well turn out to be a false case. Source
Crookbond Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 I strongly recommend people to study criminal justice and its history before making comments. The criminal justice system is not a 20th Century invention - it is an evolved form of system over 2000 years where different practices, ideologies were tried and tested.
rkt.india Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Wonderful. These bastards deserve nothing less. You think this is the solution of the problem.
Sachin=GOD Posted March 7, 2015 Author Posted March 7, 2015 @NDTV Rape accused lynched in Nagaland: Have received an unofficial report that no rape was committed, says Assam Chief Minister Mob 'justice' indeed...
surajmal Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Wasn't becoming God's children supposed to be a civilizing transformation?
Sachinism Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 GsfzhiW5l8c How is the movie? Been sitting on my hard drive for many months. Really need to make the time for it
Detonator Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 chilling pic. The man's legs are visible at top center.
amiret Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 ^^ People taking videos and photos on their smartphones. Guess this is entertainment for them.
Tiger80 Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Firstly, I am not saying brutally assault all criminals, read the post above, I was talking about rapists only. I gave examples of terrorism, but the case of terrorism is entirely different and the terrorists do not fear death, rapists do. So don't take rapists for all criminals. Secondly, criminals should not be tortured is what you suggesting? Don't you think, if someone sees a rapist getting brutally assaulted by public (or for that matter anyone), will that not leave a massive impact on the other wrong doers? It would be a lot more effective against crime. You've been talking about studies, can you quote me a few examples of studies that you are highlighting? How many of them were rapists and did they say that death in public does not discount them from raping someone ? You expect mob justice when the girl raped is local and boy outsider , There will be hardly any mob justice when girl is outsider and boy local .Infact you may see mob sympathy with rapist when boy is local and girl outisder
Tiger80 Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Dimapur lynching case: Nagaland government report rules out rape, calls it consensual sex http://ibnlive.in.com/news/dimapur-lynching-case-nagaland-government-report-rules-out-rape-calls-it-consensual-sex/533309-3-226.html New Delhi: The report submitted by Nagaland state government to the Union Home Ministry on the Dimapur lynching case ruled out rape and rather called it a case of consensual sex. As per the report submitted on Wednesday, the girl went with the 'accused' on her own and was paid Rs 5000 by the accused. The report is based on the statement of accused Sayed Shareef who was in one day police custody before being lynched on last Thursday.
Muloghonto Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 The reason justice doesn't work in india is because we have 1/100th the required judged and lawyers, 1/50th the required amount of policemen, who are paid very little and use armaments that even in 1915 would've been considered archaic. Threads like these makes me think that the NRIs here have learnt nothing from living in societies such as the US/Canada/Europe where strong social law and order is enforced. Maybe what India needs, is less chest-thumping on Rafales and INS Vikramadityas and a bigger budget for our judicial process.
Muloghonto Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Firstly' date=' I am not saying brutally assault all criminals, read the post above, I was talking about rapists only. I gave examples of terrorism, but the case of terrorism is entirely different and the terrorists do not fear death, rapists do. So don't take rapists for all criminals. [/quote'] Terrorism cannot be equated with rape. Terrorism/spying against a nation/sedition, etc. are ALL seen as the greatest of crime because in the eyes of the law (any law), nation/state > individual. It is noted amongst criminologists that the only deterrence that works against criminals that are not clinically insane, is a high probability of being caught, not the severity of punishment. Ie, a system where punishement can be simple incarceration (jail term) but say catches 99% criminals, is actually a greater deterrent to criminals than system where the criminals are ground into mincemeat alive but catches only 50% of the criminals. It is a common fallacy that 'if i make a big scary example of one individual, it will deter all like-minded people from doing the deed'. When in fact, the criminal mind doesn't give a damn if you are going to pour boiling oil into all his orifices IF he gets caught- if the criminal thinks their chances of 'getting away with it' are good enough, they will commit the crime.
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