FischerTal Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Ab needs to be in the same form for next 5-6 years to go past tendulkar
JaFanatic Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 YOU guys will pick arjun if there is arjun vs viv comparison :poink: Maybe a few delusional fanboys ? :dontknow: certainly not everyone
Pagalpanti Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 ABD has definitely taken batsmanship to next level. You can't blame him for not playing in a different era. You can only judge a player by how much better he is from his peers and AB is clearly the best atm.
HippoSucks Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 ABD has definitely taken batsmanship to next level. You can't blame him for not playing in a different era. You can only judge a player by how much better he is from his peers and AB is clearly the best atm. If we look at each format individually, de Villiers isn't significantly ahead of other world class batsman in this era.
cricketpitch Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 ABD has definitely taken batsmanship to next level. You can't blame him for not playing in a different era. You can only judge a player by how much better he is from his peers and AB is clearly the best atm. No that is not true. He is not much better than his peers in all formats. In ODI too Amla is better statistically to ABD and he has tough competition from Kohli, Dhoni etc...In tests he has players like Amla, Mathews, Sanga etc... Since Jan 2014 ABD ranks 15th in tests in terms of runs scored, so he has 14 batsmen ahead of him. In ODI's he is 4th since 2014. So your statement that he is not that far ahead of his peers. In 90's Sachin in tests averaged 59 in tests and his closest rival were Waugh, Lara and Gooch. All of them averaged at least 8 points lower. So that is what is called pulling away from the pack. ABD is not that.
sweetaskandy Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Needs to perform for a few years more at this level.
rtmohanlal Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 No... Sachin played in a different era where run scoring in one dayers on the avg: was a lot lesser when compared to now a days.For eg: in 80s a bowl econ: of 3.5-4 was the norm . in 90s it rose to 4-4.5. in 2000s a lot of bowlers started having econ: of >4.5 . now >5 econ: is very common among bowlers. Same is the case with batting. in 80s str: rate of 60s was the norm. that rose to 70s in 90s. After 2000 the norm was 80s. And now... in 2010s ...str: rate of 80 + & avg: of 40+ together is very common. So how can any body with atleast a little cricket sense can just take no:s and compare across eras? that is as stupid as it can get. w.r.t SRT-AB case it can be agreed that based on his batting position,style of play, playing condions in 2010 etc etc AB is a bit more aggressive player of loose bowling.Other than that if the bowling is having the quality of 90s , then SRT is better to play even aggressively against such bowling.this I say because AB will find it difficult to hit out and will end up holding out in the deep a lot sooner on the avg: than against loose dibbly dobbly bowlers. in tests... it is no contest .Sachin is far far ahead. So just a pre mature comparison all in all
Raghav_12 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 ABDV has potential to match SRT, but not there quite yet.
Marut Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 No... Sachin played in a different era where run scoring in one dayers on the avg: was a lot lesser when compared to now a days.For eg: in 80s a bowl econ: of 3.5-4 was the norm . in 90s it rose to 4-4.5. in 2000s a lot of bowlers started having econ: of >4.5 . now >5 econ: is very common among bowlers. Same is the case with batting. in 80s str: rate of 60s was the norm. that rose to 70s in 90s. After 2000 the norm was 80s. And now... in 2010s ...str: rate of 100+ & avg: of 50+ together is very common. So how can any body with atleast a little cricket sense can just take no:s and compare across eras? that is as stupid as it can get. w.r.t SRT-AB case it can be agreed that based on his batting position,style of play, playing condions in 2010 etc etc AB is a bit more aggressive player of loose bowling.Other than that if the bowling is having the quality of 90s , then SRT is better to play even aggressively against such bowling.this I say because AB will find it difficult to hit out and will end up holding out in the deep a lot sooner on the avg: than against loose dibbly dobbly bowlers. in tests... it is no contest .Sachin is far far ahead. So just a pre mature comparison all in all AB proved that he could fend off Johnson in red hot form on bowling friendly wickets. Shows he would have no problems tackling bowlers that Sachin faced. If AB can maintain his form for a few more years, he would be Sachin equal at the very least.
velu Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Either one of ABDV or viv is a better odi batsmen than sachin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Raghav_12 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Either one of ABDV or viv is a better odi batsmen than sachin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Based on the skills which Don exhibited, I can safely be assumed that he was also a better ODI batsman then Sachin. It is just that he didn't get to play any ODI.
Muloghonto Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 AB proved that he could fend off Johnson in red hot form on bowling friendly wickets. Shows he would have no problems tackling bowlers that Sachin faced. If AB can maintain his form for a few more years' date=' he would be Sachin equal at the very least.[/quote'] Johnson is good but nowhere close to wasim, waqar, donald, mcgrath, ambrose, walsh, pollock as an odi bowler. If you can handle fast bowling, johnson is not a big problem in odis because he is wayward. He is neither a consistency maniac like mcgrath,wasim,donald, pollock or ambrose, nor a magic ball specialist like wasim or waqar. If you can handle mitch in red hot form in odis, its same as handling brett lee in red hot form in odis. Fast but wayward. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
rtmohanlal Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 AB proved that he could fend off Johnson in red hot form on bowling friendly wickets. Shows he would have no problems tackling bowlers that Sachin faced. If AB can maintain his form for a few more years' date=' he would be Sachin equal at the very least.[/quote'] I don't feel Johnson with 4.85 econ is a bowling equivalent of any of those great bowlers from the 90s.and I don't think too that ABDV would have struggled against those great bowlers from 90s. Infact, the quality batsman he is, he would have performed well in 90s too. but only in proportion to the str: rate & avg: norms that were prevalent in the 90s.Here he is murdering a lot of sub standard bowlers with +5 econ rate in much much friendlier batting conditions & batting rules. quite naturally batting no:s quantity wise would rise a lot. we must not forget that Sachin who started from 89 and having faced a lot of ATG to very good to good bowlers in 24 years to score 14692 runs @56.94 at the end of 177 tests is a much much better test batsman to ABDV at the moment. so all in all, based on his one day numbers alone, to assume that 'If AB can maintain his form for a few more years, he would be Sachin equal at the very least' is a bit over the top.
rkt.india Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Johnson is good but nowhere close to wasim, waqar, donald, mcgrath, ambrose, walsh, pollock as an odi bowler. If you can handle fast bowling, johnson is not a big problem in odis because he is wayward. He is neither a consistency maniac like mcgrath,wasim,donald, pollock or ambrose, nor a magic ball specialist like wasim or waqar. If you can handle mitch in red hot form in odis, its same as handling brett lee in red hot form in odis. Fast but wayward. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 Brett Lee was wayward?
rkt.india Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I don't feel Johnson with 4.85 econ is a bowling equivalent of any of those great bowlers from the 90s.ap. You think those bowlers would have had same ER today when 300 is a par score?
rtmohanlal Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 You think those bowlers would have had same ER today when 300 is a par score? not definitely.there econ would have fallen(numerically increased) in proportion to the increase in aggr: now a days.But they definitely wouldn't have fallen to 4.85 too based on the econ: a lot of these bowlers maintained.More over they were much better to Johnson in test bowling too which supports my belief when I say these , we must not forget that test batting standards have fallen a lot from those 90s standards. in fact it is easier too for batsmen to score more now a days. this is quite evident from the lack of test quality bowlers from the 90s by a huge margin. Yet, how many +50 avg: test batsmen do we have now a days? in other words, despite the fall in quality of test batting standards now a days, Jhonson definitely is not able to rise his test bowling numbers quality wise.even a bowl avg: of 28+ now a days means he is multi dimensionally inferior to those 90s bowlers in tests.because those 90s bowlers had much better avg:s despite them having to bowl to more quality batsmen on the avg: than those of these days
JaFanatic Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Based on the skills which Don exhibited' date=' I can safely be assumed that he was also a better ODI batsman then Sachin. It is just that he didn't get to play any ODI.[/quote'] Yesterday I scored 400 runs in book cricket so I'm also better than Sachin.
India-KXIP fan Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Tendulkar is G O A T Nowadays average scores batting are much higher than in the past. So 48 average as opener in 350+ matches is really good for past. Reason he is the best though is the aesthetics of his batting. Operating at a level higher than all.
velu Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Yesterday I scored 400 runs in book cricket so I'm also better than Sachin. :--D
Marut Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I don't feel Johnson with 4.85 econ is a bowling equivalent of any of those great bowlers from the 90s.and I don't think too that ABDV would have struggled against those great bowlers from 90s. Infact, the quality batsman he is, he would have performed well in 90s too. but only in proportion to the str: rate & avg: norms that were prevalent in the 90s.Here he is murdering a lot of sub standard bowlers with +5 econ rate in much much friendlier batting conditions & batting rules. quite naturally batting no:s quantity wise would rise a lot. we must not forget that Sachin who started from 89 and having faced a lot of ATG to very good to good bowlers in 24 years to score 14692 runs @56.94 at the end of 177 tests is a much much better test batsman to ABDV at the moment. so all in all, based on his one day numbers alone, to assume that 'If AB can maintain his form for a few more years, he would be Sachin equal at the very least' is a bit over the top. ABD has been averaging 66@108 over the past five years. And the last one year he has been playing as if he has come from another planet with 77@127!! That is really extraordinary. And he is breaking record after record by hitting hundreds in sub 50 balls. If he can play like this for another two or three years, he would definitely equal or better Sachin in ODIs. Just because the bowlers are not upto the mark does not mean Sachin would have averaged 70@150 in this era even at his peak.
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