rkt.india Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Yup' date=' we had the skill set against spin back then but didn't have the mental fortitude. Bangalore 2005 against Afridi/Kaneria, Mumbai 2006 against Udal :facepalm:being prime examples. Present rockstars don't have a clue as to how to play spin bowling. Poor footwork, lack of decisiveness, confused state of mind, hard hands,inability to read from the bowler's hands, inability to get in line..... and the list goes on and on. :(([/quote'] Technique and mental ability go hand in hand. How did the same batsmen thrash Herath in first innings? When you are wilting under pressure, you usually forget your survival instinct.
Vijy Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Technique and mental ability go hand in hand. How did the same batsmen thrash Herath in first innings? When you are wilting under pressure' date=' you usually forget your survival instinct.[/quote'] An ER of barely over 2 is not thrashing FYI. They were cautious against him, and Herath was not bowling as well as he did in the 2nd innings.
rkt.india Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 An ER of barely over 2 is not thrashing FYI. They were cautious against him' date=' and Herath was not bowling as well as he did in the 2nd innings.[/quote'] You are as good as you are allowed to bowl.
putrevus Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 This is just nonsense, first test collapse has nothing to do with ability to play spin , it is all about handling pressure which has never been Indian batsmen forte. Remember Bombay 2006 and 100 all out against great Shuan Udal.Bangalore test Afridi taking 4 wickets to win test for Pakistan with most of our greatest batsmen in the line up. If Pujara had played it might have been a different story .Indian batsmen do not see spin as threat when they visit overseas or when they play at home and that also plays a part in them being casual or over attacking spinners.
rkt.india Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 This is just nonsense, first test collapse has nothing to do with ability to play spin , it is all about handling pressure which has never been Indian batsmen forte. Remember Bombay 2006 and 100 all out against great Shuan Udal.Bangalore test Afridi taking 4 wickets to win test for Pakistan with most of our greatest batsmen in the line up. If Pujara had played it would have been a different story, On a minefield at Firozsah Kotla where no one was really comfortable against Lyon giving him a 7-fer, it was Pujara who made it look like he was playing on another track. Same thing was at Wankhede against England when he scored 131 against Lyon and Swann on a pitch which had turn from day 1. He needs to be backed and given confidence because he has shown that he can shine under pressure rather we are playing Lol-It Sharma.
Vijy Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 This is just nonsense, first test collapse has nothing to do with ability to play spin , it is all about handling pressure which has never been Indian batsmen forte. Remember Bombay 2006 and 100 all out against great Shuan Udal.Bangalore test Afridi taking 4 wickets to win test for Pakistan with most of our greatest batsmen in the line up. If Pujara had played it might have been a different story .Indian batsmen do not see spin as threat when they visit overseas or when they play at home and that also plays a part in them being casual or over attacking spinners. India have shown tendencies towards being overly defensive, rather than aggressive. That match against Udal was a good example.
putrevus Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 On a minefield at Firozsah Kotla where no one was really comfortable against Lyon giving him a 7-fer' date=' it was Pujara who made it look like he was playing on another track. Same thing was at Wankhede against England when he scored 131 against Lyon and Swann on a pitch which had turn from day 1. He needs to be backed and given confidence because he has shown that he can shine under pressure rather we are playing Lol-It Sharma.[/quote'] I have no idea why Pujara is not playing, anyone can have bad phase but to rule him out and keep on playing nohit is just ridiculous. Nohit has his one score now he go back to be zero. The batsmen who are scoring 100s need to start making big hundreds and not get out as soon they reach their milestones.
Vijy Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I have no idea why Pujara is not playing, anyone can have bad phase but to rule him out and keep on playing nohit is just ridiculous. Nohit has his one score now he go back to be zero. The batsmen who are scoring 100s need to start making big hundreds and not get out as soon they reach their milestones. The captain is the biggest example of this.
Marut Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 This is just nonsense, first test collapse has nothing to do with ability to play spin , it is all about handling pressure which has never been Indian batsmen forte. Remember Bombay 2006 and 100 all out against great Shuan Udal.Bangalore test Afridi taking 4 wickets to win test for Pakistan with most of our greatest batsmen in the line up. If Pujara had played it might have been a different story .Indian batsmen do not see spin as threat when they visit overseas or when they play at home and that also plays a part in them being casual or over attacking spinners. SC wickets tend to favour spinners as match progresses. First day wicket is not same as fifth day wickets. You need more ability to play a good spinner on a fifth day wicket.
Vijy Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 SC wickets tend to favour spinners as match progresses. First day wicket is not same as fifth day wickets. You need more ability to play a good spinner on a fifth day wicket. Earlier teams had players with the ability, but they either played too casually or over defensively. The present team lacks players of the same status (and experience).
Vilander Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 This is what happens when you bow down to phirangisss. Overseas teams kept complaining that India does not produce 'sporting' wickets and if they lose a test match in India, the blame would go to 'doctored pitches' instead of their inability to play turn. And our curators out of pressure ended up producing greentops which are not traditional to Indian style cricket. Indian bowlers are not blessed with the genes to bowl quick and accurate consistently, it is not that Indian bowlers don't work hard, they work very hard but they cannot transform into someone like Allan Donald who has been gifted the perfect physique for fast bowling. We should have persisted with our strengths and continued making turning pitches. Spin bowling has always been our major strength and the overseas teams always used to fear this. care to elaborate or show some scientific evidence ?
MechEng Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 care to elaborate or show some scientific evidence ? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/india-in-sri-lanka/interviews/Fast-bowling-doesnt-come-naturally-to-us-Zaheer-Khan/articleshow/10283439.cms Arre, even you know that we cannot produce a tear away quick like Imran Khan. Spin is the way.
Pakistan Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 They retired. New generation prefer their T20 franchise over national team and you cannot blame them for this when their main source of income is T20 franchise team.
kosingh Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 They retired. New generation prefer their T20 franchise over national team and you cannot blame them for this when their main source of income is T20 franchise team. Of course they prefer T20. But even in the absence of T20, I don't see most of the current crop being able to master playing spin. Fortunately for them, they're not good at playing spin, but there aren't any great spin bowlers around either.
Marut Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/india-in-sri-lanka/interviews/Fast-bowling-doesnt-come-naturally-to-us-Zaheer-Khan/articleshow/10283439.cms Arre, even you know that we cannot produce a tear away quick like Imran Khan. Spin is the way. Is it the physical strength the factor here? If so, India is better than Pakistan in many sports involving strength. Check out where Pakistan stands in relation to India at SAF games - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Games Indians maybe physically weaker compared to the Europeans and Americans on average, but we aren't softer compared to other Asians. If Pakistan can produce fast bowlers, so can we. There is no reason to think otherwise. But we don't have that culture yet - India is very good at strength sports like boxing, weight lifting, athletics - in the South Asian region. To think that we can't produce a fast bowler is a ridiculous idea. We need a role model who can inspire the young generation to take to express pace bowling, till that happens it will be a bit difficult. BCCI should use all its money and power to unearth those pace bowling legends, and not waste that money playing politics in cricket.
Vijy Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Is it the physical strength the factor here? If so, India is better than Pakistan in many sports involving strength. Check out where Pakistan stands in relation to India at SAF games - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Games Indians maybe physically weaker compared to the Europeans and Americans on average, but we aren't softer compared to other Asians. If Pakistan can produce fast bowlers, so can we. There is no reason to think otherwise. But we don't have that culture yet - India is very good at strength sports like boxing, weight lifting, athletics - in the South Asian region. To think that we can't produce a fast bowler is a ridiculous idea. We need a role model who can inspire the young generation to take to express pace bowling, till that happens it will be a bit difficult. BCCI should use all its money and power to unearth those pace bowling legends, and not waste that money playing politics in cricket. It ought to use the money for this reason and a thousand others, but it won't. Makes Sepp Blatter look like a saint in comparison, at times.
rkt.india Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Pace has nothing to do with physical strength. Look at this guy Chameera, so skinny.
kosingh Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 The right combination of strength, agility and mechanics. Indians do well in sports that require strength. But struggle big time in sports that require agility.
kosingh Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Most Pakistani fast bowlers come from Punjab (Pakistan). Indian Punjabis are physically similar to Pakistani Punjabis. Yet Indian Punjab does not produce a lot of fast bowlers. In fact, the better pace bowlers bowlers India has produced have come from elsewhere- Kapil, Srinath, Zaheer etc
rkt.india Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 The right combination of strength, agility and mechanics. Indians do well in sports that require strength. But struggle big time in sports that require agility. Its not even about agility. Flintoff wasn't the most agile bowler but he had pace. It's about fast twitch fibers. Most skinnest bowlers like Zahid can bowl quick and strongest like Oram don't.
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