'AB de Villiers is going to be more popular than Sachin Tendulkar'

[express bowling]

SRT only faced 2 genuine fast bowlers in 90s Brett Lee and Akhtar and to some extent Donald though he wasnt as quick. Wasim and Waqar, he didnt face at their peak.

Lee and Shoaib were express bowlers at their peak. Often bowling 145 to 156 k spells, albeit for only a few years. Then they dropped down to fast i.e 140 to 150 k mostly. We don't have any express bowlers at test level now and ABDV does not have to face them.

Donald was never express but, at his peak, he was a genuine fast bowler who probably bowled in the  140 to 150 k range. Gillespie anf Ntini also bowled fast during their peak years as did lance Klusener. Bishop and Patterson were genuinely quick during their peak years too. ( i.e fast but not express )   SRT played them.

 

Edited November 4, 2015 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

Lee and Shoaib were express bowlers at their peak. Often bowling 145 to 156 k spells, albeit for only a few years. Then they dropped down to fast i.e 140 to 150 k mostly. We don't have any express bowlers at test level now.

Donald was never express but, at his peak, he was a genuine fast bowler who probably bowled in the  140 to 150 k range. Gillespie anf Ntini also bowled fast during their peak years as did lance Klusener. Bishop and Patterson were genuinely quick during their peak years too. ( i.e fast but not express )   SRT played them.

 

dont know how much Patterson SRT played, but Bishop had lost pace by 90s after his back injury. Gillespie and Ntini were mostly fast medium, not fast.

Edited November 4, 2015 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

 

 

Ntini and Gillespie were fast during their early years. Did not sustain it for long though and became fast-medium. I think it was the '99 Australia tour and Gillespie was bowling quite quickly then.

 

[Austin 3:!6]

MSD is more popular than both of them

 

[adi B]

Abdv is probably the first batsman after srt who has almost zero weaknesses.comparing srt to abdv is not on because of a massive Change in the eras but when people say abdv is superior than sachin they conveniently forget that sachin in the 90s was a different beast altogether!! It was only after the tennis elbow,he changed his game and most of the newbies remember sachin merely as an accumulator which is unfair

[Yoda-esque]

More talented for sure, but might not have the same following since he's not Indian

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[CG]

Abdv is probably the first batsman after srt who has almost zero weaknesses.comparing srt to abdv is not on because of a massive Change in the eras but when people say abdv is superior than sachin they conveniently forget that sachin in the 90s was a different beast altogether!! It was only after the tennis elbow,he changed his game and most of the newbies remember sachin merely as an accumulator which is unfair

Abdv has technical issues against moving ball it is well known.He has a knack of not playing beside the line to outswingers and not moving his feet much .He was sree's bunny.

[putrevus]

Why do some people take offense whenever someone is rated higher than SRT.

Sehwag played Left arm spinners better than SRT, Sachin never had reverse sweep therefore he was getting handcuffed when they bowled round the wicket.

They somehow feel only 1990s had fast bowlers and other eras had useless bowlers..What about Sunny who played for much more weaker team and still did very well against greatest fastest bowling attack in the history of the game.

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[rkt.india]

Abdv has technical issues against moving ball it is well known.He has a knack of not playing beside the line to outswingers and not moving his feet much .He was sree's bunny.

Those were his early days.

[express bowling]

 

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2015 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Why do some people take offense whenever someone is rated higher than SRT.

 

Sehwag played Left arm spinners better than SRT, Sachin never had reverse sweep therefore he was getting handcuffed when they bowled round the wicket.

 

They somehow feel only 1990s had fast bowlers and other eras had useless bowlers..What about Sunny who played for much more weaker team and still did very well against greatest fastest bowling attack in the history of the game.

 

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Just discussing about TEST CRICKET

Sunil Gavaskar's ability to survive and construct an innings against genuine fast bowling, score that many runs against the West Indies, that too without helmets.... it was something very very special. However, he was not a stroke player. 

Sehwag's ability to destroy spin bowling was higher than Sachin. Infact. on flat tracks, Sehwag has been the most destructive batmen ever in the history of test cricket. He had an strike rate of 83 and average of 49 + in tests after 104 tests. That is incomparable with anyone else ever after professional cricket was introduced. His ability to play good quality pacers on difficult tracks could do with a lot of improvement though.

However, Sachin was a more complete player who was both a great stroke-maker in tests in the '90 and could play good quality pacers and spinners on difficult tracks. His issue was that his mental toughness was not among the best. His ability to bat was superlative though. He would have come across as a much more destructive batsman if he had retired after.. say ..16 years which is still a long career.

The new age Indian batmen like Kohli and Rahane are very promising. They are mentally tough and can play genuine pace. They can score very fast when required. Kohli has a major weakness against good quality swing bowling which he needs to rectify, Rahane needs to improve against good quality spin. But, they have time on their hand.

Every era had good fast bowlers after profession cricket came into existence. It is more an issue of how they were tackled.

However...in this thread we are just comparing ABDV and Tendulkar... discussing how they compare.

Edited November 5, 2015 by express bowling

[adi B]

Abdv has technical issues against moving ball it is well known.He has a knack of not playing beside the line to outswingers and not moving his feet much .He was sree's bunny.

that was 4-5 years back,he used to average 47 in tests during then ,he has definitely improved his game a lot and in his prime.the test series against England next month will show his true ability against the moving ball,broad and Anderson are the best in the business

[Deleted_User_1]

AB can never be a hijra....that is the biggest difference!!!

[paragkn]

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Edited November 6, 2015 by paragkn

[paragkn]

 

Its disheartening see some comments questioning Sachin's ability as a batsmen. Spin or Fast bowling , Flat pitches or Bouncy wickets , Back foot play or front foot play ,the timing , the motion economy , the consistency, the elegance , ability to change the game according to situation , carrying expectations of millions every time when he step out to bat , Sachin was best in all these things. No Batsman except Sir Bradman in Test or King Richards in ODIs come close to Sachin. Sachin was Champion of Both format. Regarding A B de Villiers , he is no doubt among the bestest batsman of this generation but as a All time great he is a levels below the The Master Blaster Sachin. Sachin at his best was any day better than ABD at his best. Just for comparison , check the stats of Sachin and ABD after 98 tests.   Sachin clearly beats ABD that too a decade before when cricket wasnt a high scoring games played on concrete like pitches , when there were no superbats , When there was No DRS to check out wrong decisions against you ,

 

Edited November 6, 2015 by paragkn

[amiret]

^ ABDV was also keeping wkts .

If you prefer selective stats , For the last 7 years , ABDV is avg 62 + in both formats .

Nobody is questioning Sachin's ability.For many of us it is quite evident that ABDV is vastly superior to many batsmen of the last 15-20 years.

Edited November 6, 2015 by amiret

[amiret]

carrying expectations of millions every time when he step out to bat ,

The weight of expectations of top players from other countries is no less than what sachin experienced. We have this silly tendency to mythologize his career.  Just because we have a large population does not mean sachin faced something incomparable and extraordinary that other cricketers do not experience

The biggest psychological pressure that top athletes feel is the high expectations they have set for themselves and the fear of disappointing their teammates.

 

[paragkn]

^ ABDV was also keeping wkts .

If you prefer selective stats , For the last 7 years , ABDV is avg 62 + in both formats .

Nobody is questioning Sachin's ability.For many of us it is quite evident that ABDV is vastly superior to many batsmen of the last 15-20 years.

Lets Keep the discussion limited to TEST only.

Because comparison in ODIs will be completely different chapter.

Since ABD's debut to his last match ( 98th Test) , 3 other batsman ( Sanga, Amla and Younis Khan)  have scored more runs with better average than ABD.

If its wicket keeping + batsmanship, even sangakarra has better figures than ABD.

While in period between Sachin's debut to his 98th Match ( same of no. of ABD's career match) Sachin piled up 8405 with highest average 57+ among the batsman during same period. The next best in average was dravid scoring 5500 runs @ average 54+ and next best in total runs scored was S waugh with 7995 @ average 52+. We should not forget Sachin's contribution with ball too.

Sachin dominated his contemporaries with huge margin. While ABD is unable to beat his contemporaries.

Even today with stats after same no. of test, Sachin scores more than ABD in every way.

(PS : Its impossible for ABD to play 200 test and keep 50+ average, but we compare sachin's average after retirement with players in mid of their career. So Same number of career test should be compared to have right figures )

Edited November 6, 2015 by paragkn