Indian batting against Spinners

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
overall	1989-2013	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	51	68	14	Profile

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
v Australia	1991-2013	39	74	8	3630	241*	55.00	11	16	4
v Bangladesh	2000-2010	7	9	3	820	248*	136.66	5	0	0
v England	1990-2012	32	53	4	2535	193	51.73	7	13	0
v New Zealand	1990-2012	24	39	5	1595	217	46.91	4	8	1
v Pakistan	1989-2007	18	27	2	1057	194*	42.28	2	7	2
v South Africa	1992-2011	25	45	4	1741	169	42.46	7	5	3
v Sri Lanka	1990-2010	25	36	3	1995	203	60.45	9	6	0
v West Indies	1994-2013	21	32	2	1630	179	54.33	3	10	3
v Zimbabwe	1992-2002	9	14	2	918	201*	76.50	3	3	1
in Australia	1991-2012	20	38	4	1809	241*	53.20	6	7	3
in Bangladesh	2000-2010	7	9	3	820	248*	136.66	5	0	0
in England	1990-2011	17	30	1	1575	193	54.31	4	8	0
in India	1990-2013	94	153	16	7216	217	52.67	22	32	4
in New Zealand	1990-2009	11	18	1	842	160	49.52	2	5	1
in Pakistan	1989-2006	10	13	1	483	194*	40.25	1	2	0
in South Africa	1992-2011	15	28	3	1161	169	46.44	5	3	2
in Sri Lanka	1993-2010	12	19	2	1155	203	67.94	5	4	0
in West Indies	1997-2002	10	14	1	620	117	47.69	1	5	3
in Zimbabwe	1992-2001	4	7	1	240	74	40.00	0	2	1

Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling

[express bowling]

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
overall	1996-2012	164	286	32	13288	270	52.31	31258	42.51	36	63	8	1654	21	Profile

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Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
ICC World XI	2005-2005	1	2	0	23	23	11.50	74	31.08	0	0	1	3	0
India	1996-2012	163	284	32	13265	270	52.63	31184	42.53	36	63	7	1651	21
v Australia	1996-2012	33	62	6	2166	233	38.67	5506	39.33	2	13	4	269	4
v Bangladesh	2000-2010	7	10	2	560	160	70.00	942	59.44	3	1	1	76	2
v England	1996-2011	21	37	5	1950	217	60.93	4715	41.35	7	8	1	253	0
v New Zealand	1998-2010	15	28	2	1659	222	63.80	3668	45.22	6	6	1	223	2
v Pakistan	1999-2007	15	26	3	1236	270	53.73	2732	45.24	5	3	1	162	3
v South Africa	1996-2011	21	40	3	1252	148	33.83	3591	34.86	2	5	0	164	0
v Sri Lanka	1997-2010	20	32	1	1508	177	48.64	3245	46.47	3	9	0	176	4
v West Indies	1997-2011	23	38	7	1978	146	63.80	4878	40.54	5	13	0	205	5
v Zimbabwe	1998-2005	9	13	3	979	200*	97.90	1981	49.41	3	5	0	126	1
in Australia	1999-2012	16	32	4	1166	233	41.64	2946	39.57	1	6	2	136	2
in Bangladesh	2000-2010	7	10	2	560	160	70.00	942	59.44	3	1	1	76	2
in England	1996-2011	13	23	3	1376	217	68.80	3081	44.66	6	4	0	186	0
in India	1996-2011	70	120	11	5598	222	51.35	13207	42.38	15	27	3	681	12
in New Zealand	1998-2009	7	14	2	766	190	63.83	1753	43.69	2	5	1	117	1
in Pakistan	2004-2006	6	9	2	550	270	78.57	1077	51.06	3	0	1	76	1
in South Africa	1996-2011	11	22	1	624	148	29.71	1658	37.63	1	2	0	83	0
in Sri Lanka	1997-2010	12	21	1	662	107	33.10	1630	40.61	1	4	0	74	0
in West Indies	1997-2011	17	28	5	1511	146	65.69	3934	38.40	3	11	0	163	3
in Zimbabwe	1998-2005	5	7	1	475	118	79.16	1030	46.11	1	3	0	62	0

Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling

[express bowling]

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
overall	1996-2012	134	225	34	8781	281	45.97	17785	49.37	17	56	14	1135	5	Profile

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Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	1998-2012	29	54	5	2434	281	49.67	4480	54.33	6	12	3	338	0
v Bangladesh	2004-2010	3	4	1	117	69*	39.00	172	68.02	0	1	0	13	0
v England	2001-2011	17	28	3	766	75	30.64	1696	45.16	0	6	2	103	0
v New Zealand	2002-2010	10	17	3	818	124*	58.42	1810	45.19	2	6	2	112	1
v Pakistan	1999-2007	15	25	7	775	112*	43.05	1532	50.58	1	6	2	105	1
v South Africa	1996-2011	19	31	5	976	143*	37.53	2044	47.74	1	6	1	126	2
v Sri Lanka	1999-2010	13	22	3	900	104	47.36	1884	47.77	2	8	1	98	0
v West Indies	1997-2011	22	36	6	1715	176*	57.16	3741	45.84	4	11	3	194	0
v Zimbabwe	2000-2005	6	8	1	280	140	40.00	426	65.72	1	0	0	46	1
in Australia	1999-2012	15	29	1	1236	178	44.14	2364	52.28	4	4	2	165	0
in Bangladesh	2004-2010	3	4	1	117	69*	39.00	172	68.02	0	1	0	13	0
in England	2002-2011	11	19	2	586	74	34.47	1243	47.14	0	5	0	79	0
in India	1996-2011	57	91	18	3767	281	51.60	7710	48.85	8	24	7	478	2
in New Zealand	2002-2009	5	9	1	322	124*	40.25	649	49.61	1	2	2	56	0
in Pakistan	2004-2006	6	9	2	262	90	37.42	503	52.08	0	2	0	34	0
in South Africa	1997-2011	10	18	4	566	96	40.42	1192	47.48	0	4	0	76	2
in Sri Lanka	1999-2010	7	13	2	530	103*	48.18	1060	50.00	1	4	0	51	0
in West Indies	1997-2011	16	27	3	1146	130	47.75	2535	45.20	2	10	3	142	0
in Zimbabwe	2001-2005	4	6	0	249	140	41.50	357	69.74	1	0	0	41

[sandeep]

These stats ( from tests played IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES ) show that SO FAR in test matches

Kohli -- He is very very good on bouncy tracks, bad when the ball is swinging  and OK on turning tracks.

Rahane -- He is very good on bouncy tracks, OK against swing and bad on spinning tracks.

Vijay -- Is good on bouncy tracks, OK against swing and good on turning tracks.

Pujara -- He is OK on bouncy tracks, bad against swing and very good on spinning tracks.

Dhawan -- He is bad on bouncy pitches, inconsistent against swing ( maybe ok and maybe bad ) and good on turning tracks.

Rohit -- He is bad on bouncy tracks, inconsistent to bad against swing and good on turning tracks.

 

I don't think Dhawan is good against spinners, he overdoes the attack and resorts to sweeping way too often, almost Australian type of approach against spin.  

[G_B_]

i think Rahane IMO give him time. He was raised on mumbai pitches which have traditionally helped spin and has a good first class average. It might take him a few games but he will get there.

[express bowling]

I don't think Dhawan is good against spinners, he overdoes the attack and resorts to sweeping way too often, almost Australian type of approach against spin.  

I meant...he has a good record on turning tracks...not necessarily that he is very good against spinners.

Just giving a snapshot of what some of our top batsmen, mostly current and some past ones, have done in different countries.

[express bowling]

i think Rahane IMO give him time. He was raised on mumbai pitches which have traditionally helped spin and has a good first class average. It might take him a few games but he will get there.

Absolutely. Rahane is a batsman who seems to improve every season....and he is a fighter. He will improve his game on turning tracks, given a little time. One area he needs to work on is being a bit more consistent though and notch up higher scores in more innings. He has the class and ability to be a 50+ average player.

[fineleg]

Rahane and Kohli both need to do a lot of work to improve their defence play without edging or lobbing the ball.

[express bowling]

Kohli needs to improve his game against the away moving ball pitched around off-stump. 

[sandeep]

Absolutely. Rahane is a batsman who seems to improve every season....and he is a fighter. He will improve his game on turning tracks, given a little time. One area he needs to work on is being a bit more consistent though and notch up higher scores in more innings. He has the class and ability to be a 50+ average player.

Rahane seems to be dangerously close to taking the Rohit career-path - showing massive potential, but throwing his wicket at inopportune times and not notching up career-defining innings, which are there for the taking.  I hope for his and Team India's sake, that doesn't keep happening. 

[jusarrived]

Rahane seems to be dangerously close to taking the Rohit career-path - showing massive potential, but throwing his wicket at inopportune times and not notching up career-defining innings, which are there for the taking.  I hope for his and Team India's sake, that doesn't keep happening. 

Please do not compare the two . you are confusing formats here . Rohit is a nobody in Tests & Rahane has already played career defining innings a few times overseas he just needs some runs  on home pitches , which he will score on eventually . 

[jusarrived]

Virat and Rahane will come good , its the ODI approach which is affecting their game against spinners , playing too many shots . VJ and Pujara are very good . 

Dhawan & Rohit are crap , both dont pick spinners that well and unlikely ever will .

[sandeep]

Please do not compare the two . you are confusing formats here . Rohit is a nobody in Tests & Rahane has already played career defining innings a few times overseas he just needs some runs  on home pitches , which he will score on eventually . 

You are missing my point - I believe Rahane is capable of doing much more than he has in Tests...

[Muloghonto]

Perhaps it has something to do with not playing any first class cricket in India, whatsoever for a couple of years(if not longer) straight for batsmen such as Kohli, Rahane, etc.

Before, even Tendu used to play 2-3 FC games a year and so did everyone else, meaning the best players played against each other in FC cricket and since India could throw up the worst of the minefields, most challenging for batsmen against spin, these players got some opportunities to keep their skills sharp.

IMO, T-20 and ODI advent has had the most obvious impact in terms of batting and bowling against spin. We, as well as the world, has, to put it simply, become more 'australian' in their approach to spin: footwork or no footwork, always play with hard hands and decisively. 

The pressures on off spin has been to give up flight and loop- all those that are vital to dismiss batsmen 'not looking to get out as priority#1, aka test-mode' and focussed on flatter and more accurate trajectories , intended to tie batsmen out and get out batsmen 'who are looking to make runs as #1 priority, aka 20-20 or ODI mode).

Decisive shotmaking against flat, accurate spin bowling requires playing with hard hands most of the time, as the angles are not there to meet the ball with the full face of the bat as well as deftly deflect it across the field. Where is the cut shot in ODI cricket, let alone the late cut ? The reason is because we don't have loopy, flighted deliveries that 'break massive' after pitching anymore, which is what batsmen with quick hand-eye can adjust at the last moment and hit it 'out of the wicketkeeper's hands', ala late-cut. 

One could argue, that thats just off spin, leg-spin still offer big deviations & changes of pace after pitching to offer batsmen the opportunity to play with nimble hands and solid footwork, but that is a moot point, because legspin is more or less, dead at the domestic/fc level in most countries.

In India, there used to be atleast 1-2 quality leggies in domestic cricket throughout its history, now we haven't had a good leggie emerge since the emergence of...Anil Kumble!!