ravishingravi Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Indian batters used to give sleepless nights for opposition spinners. We knew, no matter how susceptible the team might seem to pacers, we will take the spinners to the cleaners. These days, the Indian batters look as vulnerable as any team against quality spin esp off spin. This is worrying sign. I don't see this Indian team setting the world on fire abroad. But if can't play spin, then even the spinning tracks might be difficult to deal with. doccricket 1 Link to comment
fineleg Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Not just against "quality spin". Even against ordinary spinners, in last some years, the Indian top order has struggled. doccricket 1 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Not just against "quality spin". Even against ordinary spinners, in last some years, the Indian top order has struggled.Yeah finey they need to play like SAF did yesterday. After all after marking your words, SAF won the match right? You must be devastated. Did you get good sleep last night? Edited November 8, 2015 by laaloo Link to comment
ravishingravi Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 But finey is right. The batters would take the ordinary bowlers of SA out of the attack immidiately. Now you see an offspinner, you know bat pad catch is on. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 The established stars have played most tests, in the last 2 years , out of the sub-continent ( apart from the SL series ).The 2 batsmen who have played well for us, Vijay and Pujara , have played FC much more because they are not in the LOI teams.Even our FC matches are not played on spinning tracks these days (most of us wanted sporting tracks but get green tops ).The pad-up rule has changed.All this is resulting in our top test batsmen not being as effective, as previously, on turning tracks.As we play more tests in our country, this may improve. It is also a matter of mind-set...playing on turning tracks. doccricket 1 Link to comment
moniker Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 ^ What is the pad up rule change? Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) ^As far as I know, previously, batsmen could place their bats behind their pads and pad-up It would be given not out because the ball would have hit the bat even if the pad were not in line ..and batsmen used this technique a lot The West Indian batsman Jimmy Adams got the nickname of "Paddams " because he survived this way for a whole India tour.Now, if this technique is used...the umpire will consider whether there has been a genuine attempt to play the ball. If it is happening often and the umpire feels that the batsman made no genuine attempt to play the ball....then he will give it out if... the ball will go on to hit the stump...even if the ball has pitched outside off-stump and the bat is behind the pad.( If I am wrong about this, someone please correct me ) Edited November 8, 2015 by express bowling doccricket and moniker 2 Link to comment
Lannister Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 They are playing too much cricket these days. That would indirectly affect one's performance. India should adapt rotation policy or pick players based on the conditions. There's no need to play hacks like Dhawan, Rohith, when playing in overseas conditions. Same should be followed for bowlers too. doccricket 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Feet movement has regressed against spinners.Kohli i have no idea. He picked Mendis and Ajmal from the hand like nobody's business even better than Tendu, Laxman. Rahane is somewhat a different Indian player who doesn't use his wrists much. Against spinners you ought to be able to make late adjustment. Having said that on a turning track even our seniors have at times failed. Peter such in Mumbai for example. doccricket 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I doubt that older Indian players used pads much. They were good at handling turn as they played late and used wrists. Current lot is not good at that. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 It's a lack of technique and loss of concentration by even established batsmen because they are not getting to the pitch of the ball or they are going back when they should be going forward.this was not a problem for laxman or dravid etc.these guys are not that good. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Edited November 8, 2015 by express bowling Link to comment
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express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) TEST AVERAGES OF TOP INDIAN BATSMEN IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES - FROM ESPNCRICINFO - Link belowhttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting Statistics / Statsguru / V Kohli / Test matches Statistics Home|Statsguru|2015 Records|All Records|Ask Steven|Numbers Game|It Figures|Insights Tests (2011 - 2015/16)ODIs (2008 - 2015/16)T20Is (2010 - 2015/16) - other - All Test/ODI/T20I Youth Tests Youth ODIs Records type batting analysis [change type]View career summary [change view]Ordered by default (ascending)Return to query menuCleared query menuCareer averages SpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s overall2011-201538684282416944.12534552.83111143319ProfileCareer summaryGroupingSpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s v Australia2011-201512221127616960.76222857.276311464v Bangladesh2015-2015110141414.002263.6300020v England2012-2014917132210320.1282339.12102400v New Zealand2012-2014472426105*85.2072558.75230632v South Africa2013-201536030211950.3356353.64110370v Sri Lanka2015-201536023310338.8345051.77110241v West Indies2011-20136902516327.8853447.00031192 in Australia2011-2015816099216962.00167259.335211112in Bangladesh2015-2015110141414.002263.6300020in England2014-201451001343913.4028846.52002150in India2011-20151422388910746.78185647.893601084in New Zealand2014-2014241214105*71.3334362.39110321in South Africa2013-201324027211968.0048855.73110330in Sri Lanka2015-201536023310338.8345051.77110241in West Indies2011-2011350763015.2022633.6200161 Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling doccricket 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) TEST AVERAGES OF TOP INDIAN BATSMEN IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES - FROM ESPNCRICINFO - Link belowhttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/277916.html?class=1;template=results;type=battingStatistics / Statsguru / AM Rahane / Test matches Statistics Home|Statsguru|2015 Records|All Records|Ask Steven|Numbers Game|It Figures|Insights Tests (2012/13 - 2015/16)ODIs (2011 - 2015/16)T20Is (2011 - 2015) - other - All Test/ODI/T20I Youth Tests Youth ODIs Records type batting analysis [change type]View career summary [change view]Ordered by default (ascending)Return to query menuCleared query menuCareer averages SpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s overall2013-201519363137014741.51245855.734731784ProfileCareer summaryGroupingSpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s v Australia2013-2015510140714745.2265262.42121530v Bangladesh2015-2015110989898.0010395.14010140v England2014-2014510129910333.2259050.67121401v New Zealand2014-201423016211854.0024965.06100221v South Africa2013-20153612269645.2049945.29020312v Sri Lanka2015-201536017812629.6636548.76101180 in Australia2014-201548139914757.0062863.53121520in Bangladesh2015-2015110989898.0010395.14010140in England2014-2014510129910333.2259050.67121401in India2013-201524025156.258130.8600030in New Zealand2014-201423016211854.0024965.06100221in South Africa2013-20132412099669.6644247.28020292in Sri Lanka2015-201536017812629.6636548.76101180 Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling doccricket 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) TEST AVERAGES OF TOP INDIAN BATSMEN IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES - FROM ESPNCRICINFO - Link belowhttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/237095.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting Statistics / Statsguru / M Vijay / Test matches Statistics Home|Statsguru|2015 Records|All Records|Ask Steven|Numbers Game|It Figures|Insights Tests (2008/09 - 2015/16)ODIs (2009/10 - 2015)T20Is (2010 - 2015) - other - All Test/ODI/T20I Records type batting analysis [change type]View career summary [change view]Ordered by default (ascending)Return to query menuCleared query menuCareer averages SpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s overall2008-201534600254216742.36535247.49612431320ProfileCareer summaryGroupingSpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s v Australia2008-201510190116216761.15226751.2545113914v Bangladesh2010-201522018015090.0032156.07100151v England2014-2014510040214640.20105438.14121562v New Zealand2014-2014240482612.0010944.0300080v South Africa2010-201561103419731.0080342.46020520v Sri Lanka2009-20154602688744.6647057.02031273v West Indies2011-20135801414517.6232842.98001160 in Australia2014-201548048214460.2590553.25141536in Bangladesh2010-201522018015090.0032156.07100151in England2014-2014510040214640.20105438.14121562in India2008-201512190100116752.68197250.763301309in New Zealand2014-2014240482612.0010944.0300080in South Africa2010-20133601769729.3344439.63010280in Sri Lanka2010-20153501818236.2034951.86021172in West Indies2011-2011360724512.0019836.3600160 Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) TEST AVERAGES OF TOP INDIAN BATSMEN IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES - FROM ESPNCRICINFO - Link belowhttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32540.html?class=1;template=results;type=battingStatistics / Statsguru / CA Pujara / Test matches Statistics Home|Statsguru|2015 Records|All Records|Ask Steven|Numbers Game|It Figures|Insights Tests (2010/11 - 2015/16)ODIs (2013 - 2014) - other - All Test/ODI/T20I Youth Tests (2004/05 - 2006/07) Youth ODIs (2005/06 - 2006/07) Records type batting analysis [change type]View career summary [change view]Ordered by default (ascending)Return to query menuCleared query menuCareer averages SpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s overall2010-2015295252326206*49.48471949.297722854ProfileCareer summaryGroupingSpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s v Australia2010-2014815269620453.53123456.40140911v England2012-20149172660206*44.00144745.61211810v New Zealand2012-201447027615939.4261045.24100332v South Africa2010-201559041915346.5593444.86120521v Sri Lanka2015-2015121145145*145.0029149.82101140v West Indies2013-201322013011365.0020364.03100140 in Australia2014-20143602017333.5047142.67010260in England2014-201451002225522.2051043.52011320in India2010-2015142341387206*73.00254954.415401673in New Zealand2014-2014240602315.0018332.7800061in South Africa2010-201347031115344.4271543.49110400in Sri Lanka2015-2015121145145*145.0029149.82101140 Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) TEST AVERAGES OF TOP INDIAN BATSMEN IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES - FROM ESPNCRICINFO - Link belowhttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28235.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting Statistics / Statsguru / S Dhawan / Test matches Statistics Home|Statsguru|2015 Records|All Records|Ask Steven|Numbers Game|It Figures|Insights Tests (2012/13 - 2015/16)ODIs (2010/11 - 2015/16)T20Is (2011 - 2015/16) - other - All Test/ODI/T20I Youth Tests Youth ODIs Records type batting analysis [change type]View career summary [change view]Ordered by default (ascending)Return to query menuCleared query menuCareer averages SpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s overall2013-201516280115818741.35181563.804241534ProfileCareer summaryGroupingSpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s v Australia2013-201447035418750.5744679.37111502v Bangladesh2015-2015110173173173.0019588.71100230v England2014-20143601223720.3321157.81000180v New Zealand2014-201424021511553.7535161.25111262v South Africa2013-2015360762912.6619638.7700290v Sri Lanka2015-201512016213481.0035445.76100160v West Indies2013-2013220563328.006290.32000110 in Australia2014-20143601678127.8327261.39011170in Bangladesh2015-2015110173173173.0019588.71100230in England2014-20143601223720.3321157.81000180in India2013-201545024318748.6024897.98102442in New Zealand2014-201424021511553.7535161.25111262in South Africa2013-2013240762919.0018441.3000090in Sri Lanka2015-201512016213481.0035445.76100160 Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) TEST AVERAGES OF TOP INDIAN BATSMEN IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES - FROM ESPNCRICINFO - Link belowhttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/34102.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting Statistics / Statsguru / RG Sharma / Test matches Statistics Home|Statsguru|2015 Records|All Records|Ask Steven|Numbers Game|It Figures|Insights Tests (2013/14 - 2015)ODIs (2007 - 2015/16)T20Is (2007/08 - 2015/16) - other - All Test/ODI/T20I Youth ODIs Records type batting analysis [change type]View career summary [change view]Ordered by default (ascending)Return to query menuCleared query menuCareer averages SpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s overall2013-20151425287017737.82165852.472438816ProfileCareer summaryGroupingSpanMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s v Australia2014-20153601735328.8338744.70011165v Bangladesh2015-2015110666.00966.6600010v England2014-2014120342817.008938.2000030v New Zealand2014-20142411227240.6627943.72011141v South Africa2013-2013240452511.2510244.1100141v Sri Lanka2015-20153602027933.6636455.49020165v West Indies2013-2013221288177288.0042867.28200344 in Australia2014-20153601735328.8338744.70011165in Bangladesh2015-2015110666.00966.6600010in England2014-2014120342817.008938.2000030in India2013-2013221288177288.0042867.28200344in New Zealand2014-20142411227240.6627943.72011141in South Africa2013-2013240452511.2510244.1100141in Sri Lanka2015-20153602027933.6636455.49020165 Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling doccricket 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) These stats ( from tests played IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES ) show that SO FAR in test matchesKohli -- He is very very good on bouncy tracks, bad when the ball is swinging and OK on turning tracks.Rahane -- He is very good on bouncy tracks, OK against swing and bad on spinning tracks.Vijay -- Is good on bouncy tracks, OK against swing and good on turning tracks.Pujara -- He is OK on bouncy tracks, bad against swing and very good on spinning tracks.Dhawan -- He is bad on bouncy pitches, inconsistent against swing ( maybe ok and maybe bad ) and good on turning tracks.Rohit -- He is bad on bouncy tracks, inconsistent to bad against swing and good on turning tracks. Edited November 9, 2015 by express bowling Mosher and doccricket 2 Link to comment
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