The shocking decline of Australian pitches.

[express bowling]

The South Africans are bad players of spin bowling. We are better.

We have better spinners than SA.

SA have better pacers than us.

So, logically, it makes a lot of sense to have turning tracks for test matches IN THIS SERIES. I don't see the point of being unhappy about spinning pitches. 

Producing results in test matches, even if it is in 3 days, is good for the popularity of tests. We have seen far more people coming to the stadium today after the win in the last test match.

[cowboysfan]

Cricket in Australia is unwAtchable, they might as well be playing their silly made up as they go along game called AFL.

[jf1gp_1]

 

Where did I say they are asking for green tracks. I said I don't have any complaints with these pitches.

You wrote 'Dhoni advocated for pitches which turned from day 1'  implying dhoni started this trend ? Indian captains wanting turning track isnt a new phenomena. Azhar had master the art of winning on a dust bowl, i am sure you remember the kind of fit Ganguly threw after the track he got at nagpur against Aussies 

[Debutant]

It would be nice to see what happens when Australia loses the toss and has to bat second 

[rkt.india]

You wrote 'Dhoni advocated for pitches which turned from day 1'  implying dhoni started this trend ? Indian captains wanting turning track isnt a new phenomena. Azhar had master the art of winning on a dust bowl, i am sure you remember the kind of fit Ganguly threw after the track he got at nagpur against Aussies 

Where did I say Dhoni started it? I just said Dhoni advocated for tracks which help spinners from day 1 in India because it would make toss redundant in response to people who said such tracks were bad for cricket. 

[jf1gp_1]

Where did I say Dhoni started it? I just said Dhoni advocated for tracks which help spinners from day 1 in India because it would make toss redundant in response to people who said such tracks were bad for cricket. 

why give example of Dhoni why not Azhar who would have preferred opening bowling with kumble and rajesh chauhan. Back to the OP india has produced its share of flat tracks so lets not go pointing fingers at others. 

[Gunner]

I hope NZ stack up over 700 to embarrass and humiliate the Aussies for making such a crappy phatta at the WACA

Edited November 15, 2015 by Gunner

[jf1gp_1]

I hope NZ stack up over 700 to embarrass and humiliate the Aussies for making such a crappy phatta at the WACA

Hardly matters with this being the last test played there 

[Number]

They have been flattening since 2002.

But I started watching this game yesterday and I thought it was Adelaide. :P

[express bowling]

Aus pitches were actually always on the flatter side. They usually have bounce, nothing much. We usually see very big runs scored there.

They progressively flattened starting from the late '90s.

In the 1991/92 tour by India, Perth was a minefield...ball seaming and swinging. 

Even Melbourne and Brisbane aided bowlers then.

[rkt.india]

why give example of Dhoni why not Azhar who would have preferred opening bowling with kumble and rajesh chauhan. Back to the OP india has produced its share of flat tracks so lets not go pointing fingers at others. 

Because these were Dhoni's words who wanted pitches to turn from day 1. India produced those flat track tracks in the past. Haven't seen any in last 3-4 years.

[rkt.india]

They progressively flattened starting from the late '90s.

In the 1991/92 tour by India, Perth was a minefield...ball seaming and swinging. 

Even Melbourne and Brisbane aided bowlers then.

No. Perth wasn't a minefield even in 1992. The pitch we played on in 2012 was more bowler friendly than 92. These are Sanjay Manjeraker's words during commentary of that game. 2012 pitch had grass, usually pitches before that didn't have. He said 92 pitch only had pace and bounce but 2012 had seam movement too due to grass along with pace and bounce.

[express bowling]

No. Perth wasn't a minefield even in 1992. The pitch we played on in 2012 was more bowler friendly than 92. These are Sanjay Manjeraker's words during commentary of that game. 2012 pitch had grass, usually pitches before that didn't have. He said 92 pitch only had pace and bounce but 2012 had seam movement too due to grass along with pace and bounce.

Check out the ODI played between India and WI on 6  December 1991 in Perth.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/65479.html

I watched every ball of that match and gentle seamers like Subroto Banerjee looked liked Steyn.

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

Check out the ODI played between India and WI on 6  December 1991 in Perth.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/65479.html

I watched every ball of that match and gentle seamers like Subroto Banerjee looked liked Steyn.

 

I was talking about test match.

[express bowling]

I was talking about test match.

Even the test match pitches in 1992. in Perth, Brisbane and Melbourne, were more bowler friendly than it has been  in the last few years. You saw more lateral movement then.

McGrath has also talked about the flattening of test pitches during the latter half of his career.

[Rightarmfast]

You are underestimating Subroto Banerjee. He was a genuinely awesome swing bowler then. Ideal foil to the pace of Srinath. They were forming a great bowling pair... And then BCCI came in between

[express bowling]

You are underestimating Subroto Banerjee. He was a genuinely awesome swing bowler then. Ideal foil to the pace of Srinath. They were forming a great bowling pair... And then BCCI came in between

Subroto Banerjee was a medium paced SWING  bowler. Good at swinging the ball but in a floaty way.

On that day he got good seam movement too and awesome pace and bounce off the deck. We are discussing the pitch here and not the merits and demerits of Subroto Banerjee. The pitch provided " seam movement + pace + bounce " ....qualities which were not the strong points of Subroto...hence the example. 

 

[Rightarmfast]

Pace wise, Subroto was just 110-115 bowler. And I dont think he would have exceeded that. My point was, despite the pitch, he was the kind of bowler who could swing the ball in adverse conditions.

[express bowling]

Pace wise, Subroto was just 110-115 bowler. And I dont think he would have exceeded that. My point was, despite the pitch, he was the kind of bowler who could swing the ball in adverse conditions.

I think he was more 115 k to 130 k range.

I was not really talking about ability to swing here as this thread is discussing pitches.

Edited November 15, 2015 by express bowling

[putrevus]

These flat and useless pitches have turned Steve Smith and David Warners into Bradmans, we all saw with one bit of swing or spin these guys turned into tailenders.

These pitches have been disgrace.I would would take turner in Mohali over these pitches any day.They have made bowlers into just bowling machines.

If a guy bowling at 150 plus  who is also tall is unable to create any terrors for batsmen then what is fun being a bowler.