Ian Botham- India should know there is more to cricket than T20

[mishra]

On 20/04/2016 at 9:51 AM, G_B_ said:

really? after we defeated SA quite comprehensively in test cricket he comes out with this?

 

Yes Indian test cricket team is not perfect, but we are ranked number 2 in the world.

 

It seems beefy is on comment making mode..... first on brexit and now on Indian cricket.

It could be lot better. Thats the point. T20 is giving more reward for bowling 5 dot balls then bowling 5 wicket taking deliveries. A balance is needed

[mishra]

On 19/04/2016 at 8:44 PM, chewy said:

Is Botham whining because now his employer also showing IPL  in UK, he should whine at Sky Sports UK for broadcasting too much T20 cricket. 

 

and btw, when is BCCI going to get Bumble into IPL comm box!! 

Apart from Andy Flower visiting once at IPL T20 commentry section didnt see any top cricketing personality there.

[Lannister]

15 minutes ago, Viper said:

 Funny how this guy gets Dhoni into every unrelated crap 

 

He prob wakes up saying Dhoni's name and Sleeps saying it HAHAHAHAHA

Unrelated? Check out India's Test record under his captaincy, lots of eggs. 

 

And stop being Dhoni's wh*re all the time, it's becoming really embarrassing. 

[Ironhide]

5 hours ago, Viper said:

 

 

What's really ambarrasing is you coming up with lot of crap that I can ever see from an individual. . Like I said you bring nothing but negativity to this forum. . Lol like rest of your previous captains did any good previously. . He had amazing home Test record.. don't be jelly man.. did he not give ya autograph by any chance. . You arefilled with venom against him hahaha How good of a captain was tendulkar anyway lol

 

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You call him out on bashing Dhoni out of nowhere and do the same with Tendulkar in this post, shows the hypocrisy.

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, Viper said:

Lol so according to your logic its ok for him to bash one of the most successful captains but people cry if I took Tendulkar's name ???? By the way I m not calling him out what I said was absolutely true all he brings in negativity to forum.. If you go over his posts Dhoni name is defo there in every single post haha sad enough you can't see it..

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How? This thread is about test cricket. Dhoni fans need to understand difference between tests and limited overs.

 

Just for your stats: India has lost same number of games against England under Dhoni than whatever number of games we won in 25 years of unbeaten history against england.

Just now, mishra said:

How? This thread is about test cricket. Dhoni fans need to understand difference between tests and limited overs.

 

Just for your stats: India has lost same number of games against England under Dhoni than whatever number of games we won in 25 years of unbeaten history against england.

 

Edited April 22, 2016 by mishra

[Ironhide]

1 hour ago, Viper said:

Lol so according to your logic its ok for him to bash one of the most successful captains but people cry if I took Tendulkar's name ???? By the way I m not calling him out what I said was absolutely true all he brings in negativity to forum.. If you go over his posts Dhoni name is defo there in every single post haha sad enough you can't see it..

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It is definitely ok for him to bash Dhoni and it is perfectly ok for you to bash Sachin but don't go about calling out other people for negativity and fanboyism or insulting legends or making off-topic comments by including other players. You yourself do the same and i called out on your hypocrisy.

[mishra]

31 minutes ago, Viper said:

And what winning series you even on about. . Haven't managed to win a single test series in aus and rsa till now.. people are acting like your previous captains did shit...

Haven't one single series in 25 years even with eng till 2007 thanks to zaheer and kumble.. you expect him to win shit with thr trundles IND procuces good luck.. No one can't do crap with that bowling you provide him with..

Should be happy he put up with that crap for way too long..

Its funny how he gets blame for whitewashes what did your so called legends do so ?? They are in the squad right..

Make up your mind either he ll get credits if India wins or its Team effort if India wins then wr can talk about it.

This is targeted at everyone not just you mishra jee

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I have a theory why Dhoni loved trundlers. Some people howevere poor their technique may be find it easier to face 140+ Kph bowler but get completely exposed at swinging deliver ( I also find it easy to play pace then swing in league games).   But they dont just start discarding 140+ Kph bowlers. Dhoni with poor technique fell in that category and preferred trundlers overs pacers. Most of players in west are coached right from childhood. So technique is never a issue with them.

Now captaincy bit. I got really really mad when Dhoni called Bell back in Trent-bridge test despite given run out. All because some crowd boos and may be Dhoni wanted to continue with his grandness image. There was only one way from there. Whitewas in England, India and Australia. If it was Kohli or Dada, They would have given middle finger salute and game would have carried on. This may be little incident but was turning point.

 

[Debutant]

8 minutes ago, Viper said:

You still didn't get my point. . constructive criticism makes sense but what he does is go on about dhoni on every single post either it had absolutely nothing to do with him.. you need to go over his posts then you ll know it..

I bring sachin only if he brings in dhoni in unrelated stuff simple as that. . All these legends are playing for same team I believe when he was captain.. so automatically they are included.

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Looks like you are not much different than him  

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, Viper said:

And where as bell's one goes some may say its against spirit of the game... later on it was said it was team's decision. . We don't know what happened in dressing room so we shouldn't talk about it..

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Spirit of game? How. It was a case of clear runout. Thats why you need Dada. Who doesnt care about press

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, Viper said:

Like I previously said all these pace guns hype is just funny.. hacks like yadav and aaron may bowl fast if you don't have accuracy you are just useless over this 5g run leakers.. I rather go with 135 who can atleast be accurate. . I do not blame him for going with accurate once.. The thing is Ganguly had luxury of quality spinner and decent bowlers like zaheer nehra and srinath.. where as dhoni goes after all of these once are gone.. he was left with 5g leakers in odis and tests.. he made most of what he could. . Its obvious he won't get shit 100% right everytime.. he is a human after all. . So good luck calling someone fan boys just because they don't agree with some experts here..

Warner is enough to smash those hacks like yadav and aaron.. should be happy they didn't get to face gilly , hayden and punter

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You take the pacers and then train them to swing. It never happens other way round. If anything preferred Kumars were swinging at 125K. Sometime even division 3 players face that.

You are conveniently ignoring we have won atre given way better fight with players like  Prabhakar, Sresaanth, RP Singh, Nehra, Agarkar, Pathan. Srinath and Kapil arent only bowlers. if anything we havent been able to replace Kumble.

[mishra]

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[mishra]

7 minutes ago, Viper said:

As fans we can be biased whether its out or not..

Like I said it was Team's decision

Sachin and Dravid were in the team so why didn't they stop ms ??

Don't tell me sachin didn't have his say on this issue..

I m more like virat when it comes to cricket so I ll be ruthless but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.. Its Team's decision. .

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And they weren't best of captains

And they weren't captain

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[SLICKR392]

 

On 4/19/2016 at 6:59 AM, Lannister said:

I have to half agree with him though. Indian Test cricket has gone to gutter level once Dhoni took in charge as a captain. Test cricket used to excite me a lot, but now ... 

No, it did not go to the gutter when he took the charge. He is to blame and so are the stubborn old guards who should have retired to let the youngsters through. Test cricket is still exciting with the youngsters settling in.  

[mishra]

16 minutes ago, Viper said:

As fans we can be biased whether its out or not..

Like I said it was Team's decision

Sachin and Dravid were in the team so why didn't they stop ms ??

Don't tell me sachin didn't have his say on this issue..

I m more like virat when it comes to cricket so I ll be ruthless but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.. Its Team's decision. .

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This is exactly what he have been doing. Shifting the blame. Every time team looses- Its bowlers fault. And he doesnt say it in dressing room. He has habbit of saying it in media.

[Lannister]

11 hours ago, Ironhide said:

You call him out on bashing Dhoni out of nowhere and do the same with Tendulkar in this post, shows the hypocrisy.

It tells a lot about the maturity of the poster here. I bet this guy has started following Cricket after watching IPL games, and he comes here gives lecture about Tendulkar's Test credentials. Let's not take 'em seriously.  

[HippoSucks]

What tells a lot about the maturity of posters here is how they use a team's performance to judge captaincy. That's the most inaccurate measure of a captain's quality. If you made me the captain of the Australian team last decade, I would have done very well too. But if Mike Brearley was the captain of the Indian team in tests, they wouldn't have done much better.   

 

Then when people wrongly call out Sachin for not being a match winner, they pull out the excuse that it wasn't Sachin's fault that the rest of the team underperformed. 

 

This doesn't matter in any case. Whether or not you are "excited" about India's test team anymore, the team has 4 world class players and is one of the best in the world.

[rkt.india]

On 4/22/2016 at 5:53 PM, Viper said:

Like I previously said all these pace guns hype is just funny.. hacks like yadav and aaron may bowl fast if you don't have accuracy you are just useless over this 5g run leakers.. I rather go with 135 who can atleast be accurate. . I do not blame him for going with accurate once.. The thing is Ganguly had luxury of quality spinner and decent bowlers like zaheer nehra and srinath.. where as dhoni goes after all of these once are gone.. he was left with 5g leakers in odis and tests.. he made most of what he could. . Its obvious he won't get shit 100% right everytime.. he is a human after all. . So good luck calling someone fan boys just because they don't agree with some experts here..

Warner is enough to smash those hacks like yadav and aaron.. should be happy they didn't get to face gilly , hayden and punter

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Check Nehra's test record. Zaheer became the bowler he is only since 2006. Otherwise, he was as good or worse than Ishant before that. Ganguly wasn't the captain the. Srinath too didny play many tests under ganguly.

[express bowling]

10 hours ago, HippoSucks said:

What tells a lot about the maturity of posters here is how they use a team's performance to judge captaincy. That's the most inaccurate measure of a captain's quality. If you made me the captain of the Australian team last decade, I would have done very well too. But if Mike Brearley was the captain of the Indian team in tests, they wouldn't have done much better.   

 

 

The team's performance is not the only factor used by posters here to judge Dhoni's captaincy. There are many factors which have disappointed Indian fans regarding Dhoni's captaincy starting from the end of 2011.

 

1)  Criticizing his team-mates in public in after match interviews.  Rarely accepting the blame himself after a loss.

 

2)  Impression of nepotism---when there are 2 equally good players, the CSK player invariably got picked.  

 

3)  Talking about the process and undermining the result for years.  Results are very important too.

 

4)  After years of captaincy across formats he seems to have lost the hunger for success that he once had in a big way.

 

5)  Has been making many tactical errors off late in the last 3 years.

 

6)  Making statement like " bowlers with pace are more expensive whereas the truth was that the medium pacers were equally expensive too, apart from Bhuvi in ODIs.  But he  lacked wicket taking ability in a big way which some of the quicker bowlers like Shami , Ishant and Yadav have in ODIs.  

 

Fact is...apart from Shami, all our pacers have been below par in ODIs...whether fast or medium paced.

 

7)  Seems bereft of new ideas and does not want to try anything new.   Plays with the same team irrespective of playing conditions or the pitch.  

Makes changes only when there is an absolute compulsion like injury,  That leads to weak bench strength.

 

International captaincy across formats is a high pressure job and it comes with an expiry date irrespective of how great the sportsman is.

 

The poor results are just a corroboration of  the above points ......a team's performance , just by itself,  does  not fully judge a captain's ability. That being said , in the  professional world, when a person is unable to deliver for 2 or 3 years , he is either replaced or his position is under severe pressure.  If that were not the case, there would not be sufficient motivation for superlative success.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2016 by express bowling