India's entry to NSG [Update Post 40,China pulls up chief negotiator for limited global support for anti-India position at NSG]

[randomGuy]

30 minutes ago, beautifulgame said:

But we already have individual deals with most of these countries from what I remember.

We already have agreements with USA France etc .So why is it such a necessity.

Can't we access latest technology from our nuclear deals with US or France ?

     It is not a necessity yet is pretty important.

Tomorrow Indian companies may like to build nuclear reactors in other countries. Membership can help in that.

W/o NSG membership , it seems like an outsider buying reactors/fuel, making India less certain about the future. 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2016 by randomGuy

[asterix]

What is India's beef against NPT? Just sign it and get more support... Why expect rules to be bend to accommodate India in NSG? It's common sense to sign NPT now if you want to join NSG...

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 hour ago, asterix said:

What is India's beef against NPT? Just sign it and get more support... Why expect rules to be bend to accommodate India in NSG? It's common sense to sign NPT now if you want to join NSG...

If we sign NPT in its present format it will mean giving up our Nuclear weapons.NPT doesn recognise any state that acquired weapons post 1967.

[Singh bling]

India is such a soft nation. India should now impose heavy import duty on Chinese products , Don't do much business with China. There is no benefit from India, China trade . It is already heavily skewed in favour of China , yet India hardly shows its teeth

[Malcolm Merlyn]

31 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

India is such a soft nation. India should now impose heavy import duty on Chinese products , Don't do much business with China. There is no benefit from India, China trade . It is already heavily skewed in favour of China , yet India hardly shows its teeth

Time India does impose heavy duties on chinese products.China needs to be told that there will be costs for its actions.

[Nova]

33 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

India is such a soft nation. India should now impose heavy import duty on Chinese products , Don't do much business with China. There is no benefit from India, China trade . It is already heavily skewed in favour of China , yet India hardly shows its teeth

I don't think so. India does not have many teeth to begin with. China is a powerful nation economically and military wise. It's in both nations interest to maintain and further improve bilateral ties. NSG issue won't affect trade.

[mishra]

NSG, UNSC and Rupee becoming a international currency. All three are major challenges for India and hopefully it will be resolved in next 30-100 years.

 

[biglebowski]

6 hours ago, Nova said:

I don't think so. India does not have many teeth to begin with. China is a powerful nation economically and military wise. It's in both nations interest to maintain and further improve bilateral ties. NSG issue won't affect trade.

we import lots of cheap stuff from india .. if those products are competing with our producers , we can levy heavy anti-dump duty..

it may not affect them much .. but its a good practice to begin with

 

ultimate thing will be touching the sensitive mobile/electronics imported from china ;-)

[dial_100]

I think China is only going to use NSG as a bargaining chip to get some leverage in South China Sea. China could ward off not only India but US/JP as well in return. They are very cunning in that sense.

 

[Mariyam]

2 hours ago, dial_100 said:

I think China is only going to use NSG as a bargaining chip to get some leverage in South China Sea. China could ward off not only India but US/JP as well in return. They are very cunning in that sense.

 

Chinese are so cunning that they are Chinakya reincarnated.

[surajmal]

India is going to hold off on ratifying Paris Climate change deal on the account of NSG entry denial. Now either the goras pressure  the chinkis, or obomber's pet project goes for a toss. Bring more coal fired plants I say, until thorium reactors are ready. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

I don't think so. India does not have many teeth to begin with. China is a powerful nation economically and military wise. It's in both nations interest to maintain and further improve bilateral ties. NSG issue won't affect trade.

We have nothing much to lose with China except our huge trade deficit with them.India is a strong country economically and militarily,we are not China but we are strong.Time to rake up a storm in the South China sea.Arm Vietnam Philipines etc,the Japanese are itching to rake some Chinese eyes and so is the US.The Chinese actually dont have many allies its time we ally with the anti china block.

[dial_100]

On ‎6‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 1:15 PM, Mariyam said:

Chinese are so cunning that they are Chinakya reincarnated.

I know what you mean

[biglebowski]

On 25 June 2016 at 7:27 AM, Malcolm Merlyn said:

We have nothing much to lose with China except our huge trade deficit with them.India is a strong country economically and militarily,we are not China but we are strong.Time to rake up a storm in the South China sea.Arm Vietnam Philipines etc,the Japanese are itching to rake some Chinese eyes and so is the US.The Chinese actually dont have many allies its time we ally with the anti china block.

 

chinas market doesnt encourage outsiders ,and most of the countries are not bothered about it as of now..

once some country starts regulating chinese exports , others would follow

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

chinas market doesnt encourage outsiders ,and most of the countries are not bothered about it as of now..

once some country starts regulating chinese exports , others would follow

Chinese goods are already being regulated.it has started.

[mishra]

On 24/06/2016 at 4:30 PM, dial_100 said:

I think China is only going to use NSG as a bargaining chip to get some leverage in South China Sea. China could ward off not only India but US/JP as well in return. They are very cunning in that sense.

 

India/World has given up on Tibet, succumbed to one China policy. AIIB is another reason why world is worried about China. UNSC has a lot of hidden perks. If only our leaders has any diplomacy left, they should be ready to sacrifice a lot for permanent seat on UNSC

[Malcolm Merlyn]

US Says One Country Can't Stop India's Nuke Club Membership

 

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NEW DELHI: A week after India failed to get entry into Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) due to China-led opposition , the US on Wednesday said one country can break consensus in the atomic trading bloc and insisted that such member should be held accountable.

US Under Secretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon asserted that the US is committed to ensuring India's entry into the NSG while expressing "regret" that Washington was unsuccessful in making India a member of the bloc in its plenary in Seoul last week.

"We understand that in a consensus-based organisation, one country can break consensus. But in order to do so it must be (held) accountable not isolated.

"I think what we need to do going forward is, for both of us India and the US, sit down and take a call what happened in the Seoul, take a close look at the diplomatic process which is significant and see what more we can do and how we can ensure that next time we are successful," he said during an interactive session at the Foreign Service Institute.

Calling India an "anchor of stability" in the Asia Pacifc region, US Under Secretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon also said what China was doing in South China Sea is "madness" and it wants New Delhi to play a major role in the Indian Ocean.

Shannon said managing the rise of China was a major challenge and that the US wants to work with India to have a strong and comprehensive presence in the Indian Ocean.

Describing India a responsible and important player in the sphere of nuclear non-proliferation, Shannon said, "We are committed to having India join the Nuclear Suppliers Group. We believe that through the kind of work we have done, the civil nuclear agreement, the way India conducted itself, it is worthy of this."

On India's NSG bid, he said the US would continue to work for India's inclusion in the group.

Shannon, who met foreign secretary S Jaishankar earlier in the day, said India's recent entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) highlighted that the country is a "responsible and important player in the road to non- proliferation."

"We regret, in Seoul we and India, were unable to open space necessary to allow India to move into the NSG at this moment," he said.

When asked whether he thinks India will ratify the Paris climate deal before Obama administration's tenure got over and, at the same time, it will become a member of the NSG, he said "I hope so".

 

 

 

He said India has given a commitment to ratify the climate deal.

 

 

 

Shannon said that India-US civil nuclear cooperation was a very important symbol of friendship between the two countries.

 

 

 

"Just a few weeks ago, President Obama and Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi welcomed the start of preparatory work on a site in Andhra Pradesh for six AP 1000 reactors to be built by an American company.

 

 

 

"This is expected to provide jobs in both countries and bring clean, reliable electricity that will help meet India's growing energy needs while reducing reliance on fossil fuels," he said.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-says-one-country-cant-stop-indias-nuke-club-membership-1426171

[Malcolm Merlyn]

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China accuses US of ignoring facts over India’s NSG bid

China today accused the US of ignoring facts over India not getting entry into the NSG and claimed that the plenary meeting of the elite grouping in Seoul did not discuss the accession of any specific country.

China’s assertion came in response to the remarks by US Under Secretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon  that India failed to get entry into Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) due to China-led opposition.

Shannon had said one country can break consensus in the 48-nation atomic trading bloc and insisted that such member should be held accountable.

“With regard to the US officials comments on the NSG we want to point out that this official shows no regard to facts,” Chinese Foreign Ministry official Hong Lei told a media briefing.

 

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• “In the plenary meeting in Seoul, India’ accession was not on the agenda of the meeting. It did not discuss the accession of any specific country into the group,” Hong said.

“The news release of the plenary meeting said meeting discussed the technical, legal and political questions concerning the accession of relevant countries,” he said.

On Shannon’s comment that China’s motives in the South China Sea (SCS) was intended towards Indian Ocean, Hong said “we are strongly dissatisfied with that” remark.

Shannon had said, “What China is doing in the South China Sea is madness.”

“China’s intentions and positions on the SCS are very clear. First is to maintain our territorial sovereignty and maritime rights. Second, to resolve dispute through dialogue and consultation,” Hong said.

“The remarks made by the US official tries to drive a wedge among the regional countries, confuse the right from the wrong and are extremely irresponsible,” he said.

“We ask the US side to honour its commitments of not taking side on the SCS issue. Play a constructive role in the SCS not the opposite,” he said.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/china-accuses-us-of-ignoring-facts-over-indias-nsg-bid-2885750/

[Malcolm Merlyn]

China pulls up chief negotiator for limited global support for anti-India position at NSG

 

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HONG KONG: The Chinese leadership has pulled up Wang Qun, its lead negotiator and Director General of the Arms Control Division at the Foreign Ministry, for failing to drum up significant global support for China's position in Seoul which blocked India's entry into the NSG .

Highly placed Western and Chinese sources said that Wang Qun had told Beijing that at least one third of the NSG nations would endorse China's position. However, the position was totally in the reverse, with as many as 44 nations backing India and China only having the support of four nations.

Beijing now fears that the fallout of the NSG outcome could have an impact on a crucial verdict expected soon from the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague in a case brought by the Philippines concerning China's territorial reclamation activities in the South China Sea .

As things stand, Beijing's stance flies in the face of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of which it is a signatory. China's big fear now is India could use the same ploy that Beijing used in Seoul at the NSG plenary and back The Hague Court's decision which is likely to go against China.

Highly-placed sources said that the global support for India's position at the NSG could well be leveraged by New Delhi to back the enforcement of The Hague Judgment - a scenario which could isolate China and could even trigger its exit from UNCLOS.

Informed sources said the focus now shifts from the NSG to the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague where a judgment is expected, which when enforced, could force China to give up land in favour of the Philippines.

China has launched a worldwide propaganda campaign enlisting academics, legal experts, diplomats and foreign governments stating that such legal proceedings are invalid. But this position of China's is contrary to the rules laid out by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of which China is a signatory. China claims that it has the support of 60 nations who believe that arbitration at The Hague is illegal.

China's worry now is that post its inability to generate global support for its anti-India position on NSG at Seoul, its position at the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague could meet the same fate, and this time, it could have to pay a very heavy price.

High-level sources said that Seoul's outcome has "shocked China". The government thought that its emerging superpower status would guarantee the support of at least 15 nations against India.

 

Western sources said China is "very sensitive"to possibilities of being isolated, and the developments and outcome at Seoul "came quite close to isolation".

 

 

 

China is paranoid about what might happen once the Permanent Court of Arbitration gives a verdict against Beijing and in favour of Philippines.

 

 

 

To generate global support for its position at the NSG, sources said China is silently bracing itself for a Seoul fallout which would mean an overwhelming International demand on Beijing to accept The Hague court's Judgment and give land to The Philippines.

 

 

 

All of this, said sources, illustrates that China is happy to enforce the letter of the law when it suits its purpose, but is prepared to reject Internationally accepted regulations when it feels its interests are under threat. Its stand at the NSG meet in Seoul fits into that pattern.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-pulls-up-chief-negotiator-for-limited-global-support-for-anti-India-position-at-NSG/articleshow/52984513.cms

[mishra]

No one, absolutely no one survives after standing lonely in International arena that too against wished of US. USSR has learned it. China will soon learn it. If it continues with inimical stance, the first body that will become toothless is BRICS. The plans like BRICS bank and further co-ordination is effectively finished. Its Going to hurt Russia but it will Hurt China most.