Malcolm Merlyn Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 Quote Russia has offered its latest aircraft carrier design, Project 23000E Shtorm to the Indians. That's according to a senior Indian Navy official speaking to Defense News. The offer came amid discussions between India and the United States on the prospects for the transfer of military technology for India's future nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, Defense News' India bureau chief Vivek Raghuvanshi explained. A diplomat at the Russian Embassy in Delhi confirmed to the newsweekly that a delegation of Russian officials had visited India last week to make the offer. Last year, the St. Petersburg-based Krylov State Research Center and Nevskoye Planning and Design Bureau showed off a model of its new prospective 100,000 metric ton displacement nuclear aircraft carrier, designated the Project 23000E Shtorm ('Storm'). The massive aircraft carrier design envisions transporting up to 90 aircraft, including MiG-29 and T-50 (PAK FA) fighter aircraft, early warning aircraft, and Ka-27 helicopters. Designed with two landing strips, the 330 meters-long carrier would enable planes to take off and land almost without interruption. Capable of serving in frigid temperatures, the prospective carrier's hull design also allows for a significant reduction in water resistance. For air defense, the prospective carrier is expected to be equipped with Russia's next generation air defense system, the S-500 surface-to-air missile system, currently being developed by the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern. Speaking to Defense News, the unnamed senior Naval official described the carrier, pointing out that it is "designed to conduct operations in remote and oceanic areas, engage land-based and sea-borne enemy targets, ensure the operational stability of naval forces, protect landing troops, and provide anti-aircraft defense." India, Raghuvanshi wrote, currently "plans to build its second homegrown aircraft carrier, [the] INS Vishal, which will be nuclear-powered, 300 meters long, 70 meters wide and displace 65,000 tons." Russia, India Agree on Types of Warships to Take Part in Joint Indra Drills Russia and India have a fruitful history of defense cooperation. Between 2004 and 2013, Russia assisted the Indian Navy with the overhaul and deep modernization of a Soviet-era Kiev-class carrier-cruiser purchased from Russia and renamed the INS Vikramaditya. According to independent defense analyst Nitin Mehta, through this process Indian designers "gained valuable insights into carrier-building techniques." According to the Indian Navy official, India was recently attracted to a US offer to provide Delhi with the technology for an electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS), which is unavailable on the prospective Russian carrier. India and the US have recently formed a 'joint working group' on carrier technology. However, according to Raghuvanshi, there has been no discussion regarding US carrier-based nuclear propulsion technology being offered to India. Delhi has yet to decide whether to purchase a ready-made carrier or to build it locally, and there are still doubts whether the necessary funding will be made available by the Indian government. Speaking to Defense News, retired Indian Navy Commodore Anil Jai Singh questioned whether the country really has "the kind of global footprint to justify that expense in the next 15 years or so." An anonymous Indian Ministry of Defense official confirmed that Delhi has yet to finalize details on how to procure its homegrown carrier. According to one defense analyst, Russia's Shtorm carrier concept is the closest prospective competitor to America's brand new Ford-class carrier. This is huge if its true.
velu Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 our relationship with Russia is getting complicated .. obviously we are getting really cosy with US which russia may not like.. and Russia is moving closer to china and china may not like this.. tweaker 1
Malcolm Merlyn Posted July 13, 2016 Author Posted July 13, 2016 our relationship with Russia is getting complicated .. obviously we are getting really cosy with US which russia may not like.. and Russia is moving closer to china and china may not like this.. After the Sino Russian war Russians never trust the Chinese fully but due to sanctions are forced to sell military hardware to China for money.Even then they dont sell hi fi things like 5th gen fightere or Nuclear subs etc to Chinese. Russia and India have a mutual defence assistance treaty.And India has been able to manouevre both the West and Russia since 1950s.Which is why we fly Brit Jaguars and French Mirages and Russian MIGs and Sukhois all. tweaker 1
chewy Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 read it quick, and it came across as "sh!tstorm", lol
chewy Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 anyways, need more Submarines aircraft carriers are vanity projects
Vilander Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) On 7/13/2016 at 1:59 PM, chewy said: read it quick, and it came across as "sh!tstorm", lol stole my words. I saw it as shitstorm too. Russians always do such inherently badass stuff. They are just a badass country. Edited July 15, 2016 by Vilander
sandeep Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Roosi trying to milk money from their proven sucker market. Indian Military is behaving like the trailer trash who win big $$ at lotto. After years of underfunding, they finally have proper budgets and they promptly want to go out and spend on these white elephant acquisitions. Bloody old generals always fighting the previous generations war. Age of Aircraft carriers is fading. And they want more than 1 of these? Its stupid.
randomGuy Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 On 13/07/2016 at 11:31 PM, chewy said: anyways, need more Submarines I am no expert but that's what I thought. Lots and lots of Submarines with cruise missiles, capable of nukes also. If I am not wrong, cruise missiles are very difficult to intercept unlike ballistic missiles.
FischerTal Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 aircraft carriers are needed in order to project a true blue water navy, but in combat, submarines are much more effective. if you don't complement your Acs with effective subs, its worthless
KeyboardWarrior Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) On 7/18/2016 at 7:44 AM, randomGuy said: I am no expert but that's what I thought. Lots and lots of Submarines with cruise missiles, capable of nukes also. If I am not wrong, cruise missiles are very difficult to intercept unlike ballistic missiles. yup. but not 100%. its depend on the distance and radar detection , Air defence system etc. Edited July 19, 2016 by KeyboardWarrior
G_B_ Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 arent we building 2 in India already? In Cochin? Why do we need another?
G_B_ Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 21 hours ago, FischerTal said: aircraft carriers are needed in order to project a true blue water navy, but in combat, submarines are much more effective. if you don't complement your Acs with effective subs, its worthless depends....that was traditional thinking that you needed to have destroyers and submarines accompany ur ac. Makes sense for eg if the USA operates in the gulf far away from home. our aircraft carriers dont leave home they ply in the Indian ocean.Most submarines (including the quieter nuclear ones) are becoming sitting ducks for the P-8 Poseidons within the Indian ocean. I dont think subs are needed there.... What we need is an AC to project air power to ensure our fuel lines are not cut off from the gulf regions or even places like Agola.
FischerTal Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, G_B_ said: depends....that was traditional thinking that you needed to have destroyers and submarines accompany ur ac. Makes sense for eg if the USA operates in the gulf far away from home. our aircraft carriers dont leave home they ply in the Indian ocean.Most submarines (including the quieter nuclear ones) are becoming sitting ducks for the P-8 Poseidons within the Indian ocean. I dont think subs are needed there.... What we need is an AC to project air power to ensure our fuel lines are not cut off from the gulf regions or even places like Agola. Hmm, doesn't make sense then why would pak and China aggressively build submarines at such a rapid pace?
G_B_ Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 They are easier to churn out that's why.... China is also building them with Taiwan in mind rather than India Its also a case of Chinese following the Soviet model of denial rather than american model of projection Sent from my Wileyfox Swift using Tapatalk
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