Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 You wont see Pak PM running around Russian consulate and UN headquarters protesting their military or economic ties and demanding isolation. Did India asked US permission before signing this deal ? Pak PM cries every year at UN about Kashmir. Pak sent 21 emissaries around the world begging for intervention in Kashmir. The Pak Kashmir Emissary to US got so frustrated at the US not giving Pakistan any value that he started calling US a declining power and Obama a guest at White house.Infact he even tried to blackmail US.Thats how desperate Pakistan is. And unlike Pakistan India doesnt need anyones permission. velu 1
velu Posted October 16, 2016 Author Posted October 16, 2016 20 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: Pak PM cries every year at UN about Kashmir. Pak sent 21 emissaries around the world begging for intervention in Kashmir. The Pak Kashmir Emissary to US got so frustrated at the US not giving Pakistan any value that he started calling US a declining power and Obama a guest at White house.Infact he even tried to blackmail US.Thats how desperate Pakistan is. And unlike Pakistan India doesnt need anyones permission. Pakistan wants indian ocean to be nuclear free
mishra Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 On 14 October 2016 at 8:39 PM, G_B_ said: To be the bearer of bad news but you have to be very naive to believe these systems can stop an entire air force The phalcon systems more handy Sent from my Wileyfox Swift using Tapatalk I think, system has pottentoal to ground every jet including the latest sukhoi and f 35 or whatever is in test stage. But its a defense system, NOT a offense one. Its operational in Syria and hence 300 jet fleet of NATO has to inform Russian before carrying out sorties. Therehas been only one so called mostaken ataack on Assad forces where they informed in Advance but later used radio frequency jamming device to stop Assad forces sending distress signal. s-400 is also yhe reason behind defiamce of Chinese in Douth Chins sea. game changer in Syria is deployment of S-300, which erican suspect will be handed to Assad if US supplies anti aircraft guns to terrorist s in region ^ sorry a lot of time i use mobile to type, hence character and spelling issues
panther Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 36 minutes ago, mishra said: I think, system has pottentoal to ground every jet including the latest sukhoi and f 35 or whatever is in test stage. But its a defense system, NOT a offense one. Its operational in Syria and hence 300 jet fleet of NATO has to inform Russian before carrying out sorties. Therehas been only one so called mostaken ataack on Assad forces where they informed in Advance but later used radio frequency jamming device to stop Assad forces sending distress signal. s-400 is also yhe reason behind defiamce of Chinese in Douth Chins sea. game changer in Syria is deployment of S-300, which erican suspect will be handed to Assad if US supplies anti aircraft guns to terrorist s in region ^ sorry a lot of time i use mobile to type, hence character and spelling issues syria has shot down isreali planes, but the mainstream media has not reported it, im guessing it was with the s-300.
Iconoclast Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 On 10/14/2016 at 5:46 PM, gattaca said: How would know the location of this system to attack with a cruise missile ? This is mobile isn't ? All top tech stuff are expensive in the beginning. I am sure there will be lot of bargainin g going through back channels. Again sending cruise middle in to other country's territory is declaration of war. There will be missile shields as well in place. Anti radar missiles On 10/15/2016 at 7:31 AM, velu said: one platform can shoot down 36 targets .. i think we will dedicate 3 platforms for pak and it makes us to defend 108 targets and if i am not wrong we will be buying 2000 to 3000 additional missiles for this ( sure it takes time to reload ) but this initial time gives more than enough warning signals to us to nuke your cities 36 ? Has 8 launchers if I am correct Here is a clip of how you can counter these systems - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0acJ3xyhaJo
mishra Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 10 hours ago, panther said: syria has shot down isreali planes, but the mainstream media has not reported it, im guessing it was with the s-300. Yes, I think i read that on some middle eastern website. If not mistaken it was in the very beginning of deployment news of S-400. Sale of S-300 to Iran is one of main reasons why Saudis has agreed to talk to Russians for fixing oil prices. Despite spending billions on American F-16 + jets and they realised that they cant bully Iran. Not only that once Asssad Issue is resolved Iran will probably , unofficially declare no fly zone in Yemen. that Sadusi have to buy out not just US but Russia too. This thing is bloody beast and very economical alternative to taining, buying and maintaining a fighter jet.
velu Posted October 17, 2016 Author Posted October 17, 2016 8 hours ago, Iconoclast said: Anti radar missiles 36 ? Has 8 launchers if I am correct Here is a clip of how you can counter these systems - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0acJ3xyhaJo i took it from wiki anyway i dont think it is 100% failsafe .. israels iron dome to shoot crude rockets has 90% kill rate but my worry is how we r going to track your missiles when your own army cant guess the behavior of your missiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_missile_system
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 1 hour ago, velu said: i took it from wiki anyway i dont think it is 100% failsafe .. israels iron dome to shoot crude rockets has 90% kill rate but my worry is how we r going to track your missiles when your own army cant guess the behavior of your missiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_missile_system We are buying 5 regiments.That is 10 battalions and 30 batteries. Each battery has 4 TELs + 4 LTVs + 8 spares missiles packs on reload positions (2 for each LTV) + VVO surviallance radar + tracking radar + Gazetchik-M self-defence suit + Nakidka-M masking suit vehicle + a battery (4 units) of Pantsyr-S1/2 for self-defence on reload. zen 1
G_B_ Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 17 hours ago, mishra said: I think, system has pottentoal to ground every jet including the latest sukhoi and f 35 or whatever is in test stage. But its a defense system, NOT a offense one. Its operational in Syria and hence 300 jet fleet of NATO has to inform Russian before carrying out sorties. Therehas been only one so called mostaken ataack on Assad forces where they informed in Advance but later used radio frequency jamming device to stop Assad forces sending distress signal. s-400 is also yhe reason behind defiamce of Chinese in Douth Chins sea. game changer in Syria is deployment of S-300, which erican suspect will be handed to Assad if US supplies anti aircraft guns to terrorist s in region ^ sorry a lot of time i use mobile to type, hence character and spelling issues dude it has a range of 400km. So in theory what your saying is jets of Pakistan cannot fly jets over Karachi Lahore and some 80% of the Pakistani population? Its like virtually all of Punjab and Sindh in Pakisran will come under the shadow of S400
Deucalion Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 11 hours ago, G_B_ said: dude it has a range of 400km. So in theory what your saying is jets of Pakistan cannot fly jets over Karachi Lahore and some 80% of the Pakistani population? Its like virtually all of Punjab and Sindh in Pakisran will come under the shadow of S400 yes we are so doomed.
velu Posted October 17, 2016 Author Posted October 17, 2016 37 minutes ago, Deucalion said: yes we are so doomed. we dont need todo anything .. pakistan ll screw themselves
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 dude it has a range of 400km. So in theory what your saying is jets of Pakistan cannot fly jets over Karachi Lahore and some 80% of the Pakistani population? Its like virtually all of Punjab and Sindh in Pakisran will come under the shadow of S400 The S 400 can detect and track targets at 600km and engage one at 400km.So the batteries of S 400 on western front(3 regiments) can target almost any aircraft the Pakistani fly in the engagement range which i believe would be near 300km inside Pakistan.This will severely restrict PAFs ability to even patrol its own airspace let alone launch an attack in India.The speed of the missiles of S 400 means that aircrafts have no chance of escape.And PAF only has very limited number of block 52 F 16s. The S 400 will be integrated with the S 300,SPYder,Aakash,Barak8 and the AAD-PAD.So it will be a layered air defence and BMD.PAF will be severely hampered in both defensive and offensive capabilities.
mishra Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, G_B_ said: dude it has a range of 400km. So in theory what your saying is jets of Pakistan cannot fly jets over Karachi Lahore and some 80% of the Pakistani population? Its like virtually all of Punjab and Sindh in Pakisran will come under the shadow of S400 Yes! Thats correct. In event of war we can declare no fly zone in Pakistan. But Pakistanis are unnecessarily making so much noise. Its probably China centric Edited October 17, 2016 by mishra
panther Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, mishra said: Yes! Thats correct. In event of war we can declare no fly zone in Pakistan. But Pakistanis are unnecessarily making so much noise. Its probably China centric So why can't you declare one now, even though you have s300 and whatever else you have?
mishra Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, panther said: So why can't you declare one now, even though you have s300 and whatever else you have? This is very basic difference between Indian and Pakistani mentality. We wont do it even if we can. You (read pakistani state) will kill Indians, if it can. Havent you heard no first use policy of ours. we are content with whatever land we got.
velu Posted October 17, 2016 Author Posted October 17, 2016 23 minutes ago, panther said: So why can't you declare one now, even though you have s300 and whatever else you have? in case of war , yes we can .. but we cant fully impose a no fly zone , if your army continues to use pigeons your country talks about nuking whenever there is some tension between us , but why your army never tried ?
Deucalion Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) @Malcolm Merlyn 5 regiments ? or 5 batteries ? 10 hours ago, mishra said: Yes! Thats correct. In event of war we can declare no fly zone in Pakistan. But Pakistanis are unnecessarily making so much noise. Its probably China centric bro, whos making noise ? i dont think pakistanis making noise on anything you purchased. Edited October 17, 2016 by Deucalion
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 25 minutes ago, Deucalion said: @Malcolm Merlyn 5 regiments ? or 5 batteries ? bro, whos making noise ? i dont think pakistanis making noise on anything you purchased. Russia doesnt sell its BMD systems in terms of batteries.They are either sold as Battalions or Regiments.Though there is some confusion whether its battalions or regiments.
New guy Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Apparently, in a blow for India, Russia refused to name Pak terrorist groups while naming Syrian ones. Russia is cosying up to China and moving away from India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/At-Brics-Russian-silence-on-Pak-terror-stuns-India/articleshow/54907602.cms G_B_ 1
mishra Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 ^ China is opposing to name terror groups. Russia cant put its weight on China. Even US is unable to put its weight on China when it comes to terror group. For China, Pakistan is counterbalance to India, For Russia, India is counterbalance to China. However if above is true then After US, China (NOT Russia) is, if not second then closest to second most powerful State in UN. And US doesn't likes second most powerful states.
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