Cricketics Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Good decision. They are going to be matching the navy bluish uniform color and it should be no problem. Well done NYPD http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5864ff00e4b0de3a08f73d14?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 G_B_ 1
Muloghonto Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 don't like it. religious pandering compromising operational safety...again! Stuge 1
Sajid_Rana Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Muslim female cops should be allowed to wear burqa as well. All religions should be treated fairly.
Muloghonto Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 34 minutes ago, Sajid_Rana said: Muslim female cops should be allowed to wear burqa as well. All religions should be treated fairly. Nowhere in your Koran does it say a woman has to cover her face.The Koran only says that a woman has to cover her bosom & her head. Which is hijab. Not Burqa, which is un-islamic and invented by insecure, un-manly men who fear women. Agree, all religions should be treated equally - as in, they should be tossed into the dustbin when they get in the way of practical considerations. A female cop wearing a burqa is a security issue, since we cannot see her face, so we have no idea if they are who they claim they are. A cop is required to deliver clear instructions to civilians and a face-mask gets in the way of delivering clear instructions. If she is a part of SWAT team with face coverings, then its fine. Similary, a turban gets in the way of a helmet, when in riot gear. So no turbans should be allowed either.
Cricketics Posted December 30, 2016 Author Posted December 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Muloghonto said: don't like it. religious pandering compromising operational safety...again! What has wearing Turban got to do with it. How does wearing a Turban affect operational security. It's like some cop wearing a tattoo on his shoulder or wearing a cross on his kneck, similarly there shouldn't be any harm if someone wants to wear a Turban. And they are not going to wear any different color Turban. They are not trying to look different. They are actually going to match it with the uniform color.
Muloghonto Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Cricketics said: What has wearing Turban got to do with it. How does wearing a Turban affect operational security. It's like some cop wearing a tattoo on his shoulder or wearing a cross on his kneck, similarly there shouldn't be any harm if someone wants to wear a Turban. And they are not going to wear any different color Turban. They are not trying to look different. They are actually going to match it with the uniform color. When you wear a turban, you can't wear a helmet. When you can't wear a helmet, you cant be operationally safe in riot gear. Which is an operational hazard. I have the same views about Ontario legalizing turbans as alternative head gear for motorcycles. A turban is not safe enough to survive being thrown from your motorcycle, like a bike helmet is. So i don't agree with it. Stuge 1
Cricketics Posted December 30, 2016 Author Posted December 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: When you wear a turban, you can't wear a helmet. When you can't wear a helmet, you cant be operationally safe in riot gear. Which is an operational hazard. I have the same views about Ontario legalizing turbans as alternative head gear for motorcycles. A turban is not safe enough to survive being thrown from your motorcycle, like a bike helmet is. So i don't agree with it. I am sure the Turban can be worn different ways to fit in a helmet or any other protective head gear. May be someone who wears one can share his views, but I am sure there can be many ways of adjusting it to make it a protective gear.
Muloghonto Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cricketics said: I am sure the Turban can be worn different ways to fit in a helmet or any other protective head gear. May be someone who wears one can share his views, but I am sure there can be many ways of adjusting it to make it a protective gear. Don't kid yourself. I've never seen a sikh guy who is wearing a turban, wearing a helmet underneath or a helmet to fit over a turban. The latter option isn't even safe (your bike helmet, for e.g., needs to fit snugly around your jaw. Or else it gets tossed when you hit the kerb. And nobody makes bike helmets that fits in 2x the size of your head. Same goes for riot gear helmet. The face shield needs to fit snugly - loose enough that you can breathe but snug enough that nobody can launch stuff upwards from an underhand motion & still get your face. Again, can't think of a single helmet manufacturer who makes it for heads 2x the size of normal ones). And there is no way you are going to convince an engineer that there are ways to wrap a piece of cloth around your skull that would provide the same amount of blunt trauma protection as Kevlar or fibreglass. At best you can argue that you can wear a 'patta' underneath the helmet- which is true. But anytime you see a proper turban, its simply not safe to ride a bike or riot gear helmet. The fact that in Ontario, I can get a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet, while a Sikh guy can go scot-free by wearing a turban and no helmet, is plain old pandering to religion 101. Edited December 30, 2016 by Muloghonto
Cricketics Posted December 30, 2016 Author Posted December 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Don't kid yourself. I've never seen a sikh guy who is wearing a turban, wearing a helmet underneath or a he You are educated enough to know that even a cricketer like Harbhajan Singh or Sidhu would wear helmet under their Patka. In Punjab, there are actually special manufacturers who design such helmets to allow Sikhs to wear Turban underneath their helmets. Infact, they have had bulletproof turbans for Sikh officers for a while now in India. What you said about the rule in ontario is what actually needs to change and not the nypd rule. I agree with you that you can't be driving on road just with turban, you should have a protective gear.
Muloghonto Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, Cricketics said: You are educated enough to know that even a cricketer like Harbhajan Singh or Sidhu would wear helmet under their Patka. In Punjab, there are actually special manufacturers who design such helmets to allow Sikhs to wear Turban underneath their helmets. Infact, they have had bulletproof turbans for Sikh officers for a while now in India. What you said about the rule in ontario is what actually needs to change and not the nypd rule. I agree with you that you can't be driving on road just with turban, you should have a protective gear. you mean over their patka. Yes, true. But i mean whole turban. There are helmets that go above/under the whole turban ? Not that i am doubting you, but how come i've never seen a single Sikh use this in Kolkata, and there are plenty of Sikhs in kolkata ?
Cricketics Posted December 30, 2016 Author Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, Muloghonto said: you mean over their patka. Yes, true. But i mean whole turban. There are helmets that go above/under the whole turban ? Not that i am doubting you, but how come i've never seen a single Sikh use this in Kolkata, and there are plenty of Sikhs in kolkata ? Don't know, I haven't been to India for a long long time but last I heard that in special battles, they replace their regular Turbans with bullet proof Turbans. Muloghonto 1
Singh bling Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Muloghonto said: When you wear a turban, you can't wear a helmet. When you can't wear a helmet, you cant be operationally safe in riot gear. Which is an operational hazard. I have the same views about Ontario legalizing turbans as alternative head gear for motorcycles. A turban is not safe enough to survive being thrown from your motorcycle, like a bike helmet is. So i don't agree with it. Sikhs in 18th century used to wear Helmet over turban ,there are pics of warrior sikhs with helmet
Singh bling Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Cricketics said: Don't know, I haven't been to India for a long long time but last I heard that in special battles, they replace their regular Turbans with bullet proof Turbans. Bullet proof turban is still in development phase, sikhs always replaced turban with patka or bandana and then wore helmet over it. If NYPD will give them some dangerous task then most will do so apart from religious nutcases Muloghonto and Cricketics 2
Singh bling Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 15 hours ago, Muloghonto said: don't like it. religious pandering compromising operational safety...again! Are you trying to say that policemen always wear helmet? I don't think when they will be given some dangerous task they will be exempted.Sikhs in Indian army always performed dangerous task with turban including flying fighter planes, new Air cheif of IAF is turbaned sikh ,B.S Dhanoa
Singh bling Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Cricketics said: I am sure the Turban can be worn different ways to fit in a helmet or any other protective head gear. May be someone who wears one can share his views, but I am sure there can be many ways of adjusting it to make it a protective gear. Thoeeritically it is possible as turban is jusr wrapping a cloth around head and cover it , so even patka or bandana can be called turban as they are wrapped once , but most Turbaned sikhs wear turban for their appearance O/W Patka and Bandana can easily replace turban beetle and Cricketics 2
Singh bling Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Anybody who believe that Turbans will be hazard or handicap for sikhs should read about Indian armed foces .B.S Dhanoa is new Air chief marshall , He was a figter pilot who flew jets even Sukhoi.His turban wearing was never a hindrance in his career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birender_Singh_Dhanoa
Muloghonto Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 6 hours ago, Singh bling said: Are you trying to say that policemen always wear helmet? I don't think when they will be given some dangerous task they will be exempted.Sikhs in Indian army always performed dangerous task with turban including flying fighter planes, new Air cheif of IAF is turbaned sikh ,B.S Dhanoa If you wear Patka and then helmet on top, i have no problems. But if you wear the regular turban + Patka + no helmet while you are flying a fighter jet or dressing in riot gear/riding motorcycle, then i have a problem with it, because its putting religion above safety & common sense. beetle 1
Singh bling Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 6 hours ago, Muloghonto said: If you wear Patka and then helmet on top, i have no problems. But if you wear the regular turban + Patka + no helmet while you are flying a fighter jet or dressing in riot gear/riding motorcycle, then i have a problem with it, because its putting religion above safety & common sense. IAF sikh fighter pilots wear helmet over patka, I think what I read is they come in turban and change it in locker room.I don't think turbaned sikhs could have reached the post Post of IAF chief had they been rigid or having some kind of problem beetle 1
beetle Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 On 12/30/2016 at 11:06 AM, Muloghonto said: The fact that in Ontario, I can get a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet, while a Sikh guy can go scot-free by wearing a turban and no helmet, In India too.....even sikh women are exempt from wearing helmet while non sikh women riding pillion are also required to wear one. This is just insane. Do they come with extra strong skulls or are they dispensable? http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/its-official-women-riders-have-to-wear-helmets-but-sikh-women-exempted/
coffee_rules Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 On 1/1/2017 at 3:29 PM, radhika said: In India too.....even sikh women are exempt from wearing helmet while non sikh women riding pillion are also required to wear one. This is just insane. Do they come with extra strong skulls or are they dispensable? http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/its-official-women-riders-have-to-wear-helmets-but-sikh-women-exempted/ How do they differentiate Sikh women from others? When they catch you , just recite a few verses from Guru Granth Sahib and claim to be a sikh woman.
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