Umesh Yadav needs to skip international 50 overs for a while

[Mosher]

Umesh did bowl decently in the previous series vs NZ. Providing early break throughs in almost all the matches he played in. Taking Guptil's wicket 2-3 times with the new ball. Except Jaddu and Pandya all the other frontline bowlers - Bumrah, Ashwin and Yadav went for plenty of runs in this match. Unfair to single out only Yadav after a single match. Shows the bias in some of the posters here on ICF.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Not complainig, fact.  As stats were shown for only few years. I won't defend but will put the right thing across, before you come and troll in this thread again

Recent ability and form  are what matter.   Otherwise,  Dhoni, Raina and Yuvi would be winning us ODI after ODI  if we look at their overall stats.

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, laaloo said:

I'm not trolling. I'm calling you out. And what's wrong with only a few years? That shows what they have done recently. Should we pick players on what they did in 2011? Your logic is wrong. 

Lol shows you did not read the thread fully. Stats were shown for 2 years of Umesh amd then i asked for even more latest stats, which was of last 1 year and Umesh has sucked then in last 1 year. 

[Cricketics]

Just now, express bowling said:

Recent ability and form  are what matter.   Otherwise,  Dhoni, Raina and Yuvi would be winning us ODI after ODI  if we look at their overall stats.

Exactly hence when you showed 2 year stats of Umesh, I posted the last year stat for you. 

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, Mosher said:

Umesh did bowl decently in the previous series vs NZ. Providing early break throughs in almost all the matches he played in. Taking Guptil's wicket 2-3 times with the new ball. Except Jaddu and Pandya all the other frontline bowlers - Bumrah, Ashwin and Yadav went for plenty of runs in this match. Unfair to single out only Yadav after a single match. Shows the bias in some of the posters here on ICF.

No Bias, pretty much all agree here that we need to move on from Umesh in ODI's now. All stats shared, we need new set od bowlers in ODI's. Test we are still looking good. 

[Laaloo]

Just now, Cricketics said:

No Bias, pretty much all agree here that we need to move on from Umesh in ODI's now. All stats shared, we need new set od bowlers in ODI's. Test we are still looking good. 

As long as you dont come back and say we need to replace him with Bhuvi, we all are in agreement.

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

Exactly hence when you showed 2 year stats of Umesh, I posted the last year stat for you. 

I don't have a problem with that....my point is that Umesh is not the only one who is  below average in ODIs....Bhuvi, Umesh, Mohit, Ishant are all below average.

 

I want pacers like Nathu, Sran, Siraj....those who have the potential of combining LOI skills with pace....to be introduced for ODIs.

[Mosher]

4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No Bias, pretty much all agree here that we need to move on from Umesh in ODI's now. All stats shared, we need new set od bowlers in ODI's. Test we are still looking good. 

Even I agree Umesh is not the answer in ODI's but why open a thread just after one poor performance recently while keeping mum on equally poor performances of other bowlers??? Doesn't that show a bias?

Edited January 15, 2017 by Mosher

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No Bias, pretty much all agree here that we need to move on from Umesh in ODI's now. All stats shared, we need new set od bowlers in ODI's. Test we are still looking good. 

And yet....you open a thread for Umesh's removal after one bad game, although he had a decent last ODI series against NZ.  Don't think you will do that for Bhuvi.

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Even I agree Umesh is not the answer in ODI's but why open a thread just after one poor performance recently while keeping mum on equally poor performances of other bowlers??? Doesn't that show a bias?

Becaus, it is a tren of sharing sentiments when something is really wrong and how things need to be changed. We are heading towards champions trophy. One game Dhoni fails and Yuvi fails, threads are out as those are ageing players who need to be replaced with new talents, which many believed. Similarly, bowlers need to be changed too. We lose more ODI's because of them, you and me both know. 

[Laaloo]

10 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Becaus, it is a tren of sharing sentiments when something is really wrong and how things need to be changed. We are heading towards champions trophy. One game Dhoni fails and Yuvi fails, threads are out as those are ageing players who need to be replaced with new talents, which many believed. Similarly, bowlers need to be changed too. We lose more ODI's because of them, you and me both know. 

Dhoni has been failing for a couple years now. You saw his stats the other day when even Behradien has scored faster than him. Yuvi is done. Of course hey need to be replaced. Just because you are trying to dig out of a hole you have dug in this thread, you are trying to dig an even deeper hole.

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, laaloo said:

Dhoni has been failing for a couple years now. You saw his stats the other day when even Behradien has scored faster than him. Yuvi is done. Of course hey need to be replaced. Just because you are trying to dig out of a hole you have dug in this thread, you are trying to dig an even deeper hole.

Lol what whole am trying to come out from? Umesh needs to be removed, that was the point of the thread. That's all. Just like how people believe bats need to be changed to make our team better, bowlers need to be checked too who haven't been performing in last one whole year and giving runs like crazy. Umesh is no Agarkar who was very handy. So we need to take him out.

 

 

[Laaloo]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Lol what whole am trying to come out from? Umesh needs to be removed, that was the point of the thread. That's all. Just like how people believe bats need to be changed to make our team better, bowlers need to be checked too who haven't been performing in last one whole year and giving runs like crazy. Umesh is no Agarkar who was very handy. So we need to take him out.

 

 

And who is denying that. We started showing you stats when you advocated for bhuvi. And you are turning a blind eye to that.

[Cricketics]

Just now, laaloo said:

And who is denying that. We started showing you stats when you advocated for bhuvi. And you are turning a blind eye to that.

We didn't , Ulitmate game did and I in teply showed him the that Umesh isn't good enough by showing him even more latest stats. You were sleeping then and hence when you woke up just now and are reading all our posts, you missed checking few posts where we discussed last year's stats after he shared me two year old stats. Hence you were mentioning in earlier post how latest stats were shared when I shared even more latest stats as ultimate game and me agreed above about. 

 

 

Now stop trolling and asking for attention.

[Mosher]

31 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Becaus, it is a tren of sharing sentiments when something is really wrong and how things need to be changed. We are heading towards champions trophy. One game Dhoni fails and Yuvi fails, threads are out as those are ageing players who need to be replaced with new talents, which many believed. Similarly, bowlers need to be changed too. We lose more ODI's because of them, you and me both know. 

Hope you will share the same sentiments and open up a thread calling for BK to be dropped after one poor match.

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Hope you will share the same sentiments and open up a thread calling for BK to be dropped after one poor match.

That I won't

[King Tendulkar]

Still out bowled England Pacers 

[Laaloo]

16 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

We didn't , Ulitmate game did and I in teply showed him the that Umesh isn't good enough by showing him even more latest stats. You were sleeping then and hence when you woke up just now and are reading all our posts, you missed checking few posts where we discussed last year's stats after he shared me two year old stats. Hence you were mentioning in earlier post how latest stats were shared when I shared even more latest stats as ultimate game and me agreed above about. 

 

 

Now stop trolling and asking for attention.

I'm not trolling or asking for attention. Express_bowling, mosher or I are not advocating for Umesh. But you came here defending bhuvi so we are calling you out. It's obvious you have problems with stats. You have a problem admitting that dhoni is past it. You have a problem admitting that odis have changed. 

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, laaloo said:

I'm not trolling or asking for attention. Express_bowling, mosher or I are not advocating for Umesh. But you came here defending bhuvi so we are calling you out. It's obvious you have problems with stats. You have a problem admitting that dhoni is past it. You have a problem admitting that odis have changed. 

Lol odis have changed we all know.

 

And you need to stop speaking for other two guys as we have already had our conversation done and dusted and closed the chat bit you woke up late and wamted to restart the whole thing without reading full thing. 

[Texan]

Frankly, I don't care whether we bring back Bhuvi or try someone else, fact is that Umesh has been abysmal in ODIs right from the time he started. He is neither wicket-taking nor economical. Seriously, I am up for trying any Tom, Dick or Harry instead of this guy in ODIs. He is only in the team because he pleases the speed gun gods, which includes the captain. Wow, what pace, 145!! Doesn't matter if the ball got smacked for a six. All that matters is the speed registered on the speed gun. Don't know what he does with all that pace - you will hardly ever seen him bowl a decent short ball spell targeted at the body.