Stuge Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 There have been talks that India may not give a rank turner to Bangladesh whose three-pronged spin attack can trouble Indian batsmen more than the English attack did. The likes of Shakib Al Hasan, Mehedi Hasan, Taijul Islam and Mosaddek Hossain make up a strong spin attack for the visitors. However, coach Anil Kumble downplayed the importance of the nature of the pitch, saying his team has bowlers who can pick 20 wickets. “It doesn’t really matter what kind of pitch we play or whether we go in with spinners or pacers. We have bowlers who can pick 20 wickets,” said Kumble ahead of practice on Tuesday. http://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/anil-kumble-downplays-pitch-factor-says-india-s-bowlers-can-take-20-wickets/story-KSy7OwEY2iVZjZcra7LAmL.html Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
Pollack Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Good to see self confidence. But we cannot take 20 wickets on flat tracks as of yet outside home in tests. speedheat 1
sandeep Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Pollack said: Good to see self confidence. But we cannot take 20 wickets on flat tracks as of yet outside home in tests. Isn't that what they just did against the West Indies recently. Those tracks were as flat as they get. Windies were playing for draws all the way. To their credit, they were able to pull it off once. MCcricket 1
Pollack Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, sandeep said: Isn't that what they just did against the West Indies recently. Those tracks were as flat as they get. Windies were playing for draws all the way. To their credit, they were able to pull it off once. West Indies is not the standard to be looked at. Do you believe apart from Shami other pacers would really be effective on true Flatter pitches where shot making is also easier? Ifs and but's aside I give full credit for the way Indian pacers performed during West Indies.
sandeep Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, Pollack said: West Indies is not the standard to be looked at. Do you believe apart from Shami other pacers would really be effective on true Flatter pitches where shot making is also easier? Ifs and but's aside I give full credit for the way Indian pacers performed during West Indies. Point is, WI tour was a step in the right direction. And need I remind you, how Bhuvi sliced through the Windies batting converting a test that was heading to a draw into an easy win? So it wasn't entirely a Shami show there. And even Yadav in the last 12 months has showcased a massive improvement from his spray gun days in test cricket. I don't disagree with you that Windies shouldn't be the standard. But neither then is the BD batting of such a high level that it would be beyond our bowlers on flat tracks. Just wanted to point out, that the bowlers have demonstrated progress in the right direction, and there's ample cause to be optimistic, instead of dismissing their chances of being effective on flat tracks. In fact, I'm expecting the pacers to pick up at least 30% of the wickets against BD - failing that, at least put the BD batting under some serious pressure. They are good enough to do that, and they should look at this series as an opportunity to improve their personal stats. Good teams and good players do that against weaker teams - stay professional, execute at a high level, demolish the opponents, and pump up their numbers in the process.
BeautifulGame Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Isn't that what they just did against the West Indies recently. Those tracks were as flat as they get. Windies were playing for draws all the way. To their credit, they were able to pull it off once. Nope because there we still massively depended on Ashwin to take wickets .Flat west indies wickets are similar to subcontinent are flat wickets mostly. In flat conditions of Australia or SA , we will be needing the seamers to take responsibility of lead bowlers and that's were we are woefully short . We already showed in 2006 and 2011 , performing in West Indies isn't an issue .
sandeep Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: Nope because there we still massively depended on Ashwin to take wickets .Flat west indies wickets are similar to subcontinent are flat wickets mostly. In flat conditions of Australia or SA , we will be needing the seamers to take responsibility of lead bowlers and that's were we are woefully short . We already showed in 2006 and 2011 , performing in West Indies isn't an issue . I dont know if you watched the actual cricket games or are just going by the score-card - our pacers did very well in the windies tour.
BeautifulGame Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 I dont know if you watched the actual cricket games or are just going by the score-card - our pacers did very well in the windies tour. They did well in the sense they were support bowlers apart from Bhuvi in one test.Its a big difference when you are the lead bowlers taking responsibility of taking wickets . As I already mentioned our seamers actually did even better in both 2006 and 2011 in WI.But their flat wickets are completely different to what we will face in AUS/SA/NZL
Vilander Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 They are showing BD due respect this is good. Stuge 1
Pollack Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, sandeep said: Point is, WI tour was a step in the right direction. And need I remind you, how Bhuvi sliced through the Windies batting converting a test that was heading to a draw into an easy win? So it wasn't entirely a Shami show there. And even Yadav in the last 12 months has showcased a massive improvement from his spray gun days in test cricket. I don't disagree with you that Windies shouldn't be the standard. But neither then is the BD batting of such a high level that it would be beyond our bowlers on flat tracks. Just wanted to point out, that the bowlers have demonstrated progress in the right direction, and there's ample cause to be optimistic, instead of dismissing their chances of being effective on flat tracks. In fact, I'm expecting the pacers to pick up at least 30% of the wickets against BD - failing that, at least put the BD batting under some serious pressure. They are good enough to do that, and they should look at this series as an opportunity to improve their personal stats. Good teams and good players do that against weaker teams - stay professional, execute at a high level, demolish the opponents, and pump up their numbers in the process. Only that I wasn't speaking about Bangladesh in the current series context.That was clear since I mentioned outside home and we are playing Bangladesh in India. Even our India A team can take all wickets of Bangladesh on flat tracks that too at home(at neutral venues as well).
Pollack Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, BeautifulGame said: They did well in the sense they were support bowlers apart from Bhuvi in one test.Its a big difference when you are the lead bowlers taking responsibility of taking wickets . As I already mentioned our seamers actually did even better in both 2006 and 2011 in WI.But their flat wickets are completely different to what we will face in AUS/SA/NZL Precisely batting and stroke making is easier on flat tracks of Aus/SA/NZL. West Indies,U.a.e and to some extent even England flat tracks are slightly different. In India we have all varieties
MCcricket Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 What are the conditions and stats for Hyderabad, score and who takes more wkts, spinners or pacers?
rkt.india Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 15 hours ago, sandeep said: Isn't that what they just did against the West Indies recently. Those tracks were as flat as they get. Windies were playing for draws all the way. To their credit, they were able to pull it off once. Windies pitches were not really flat. In that series, we had 2-3 pitches that offered a lot to seamers.
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