Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said: Oh my mistake.Still the point remains the same tbh. Needs to be a batting all rounder if he is to play in this side and bat ahead of both No he just needs to provide more overall utility than the next best option Rohit is inconsistent to say the least. Karun looks talented but not sure how is he as a bowler. 3rd spinner wont get much overs so there is no point playing a specialist bowler who cant bat Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, express bowling said: How is Karun Nair as a spinner ? Has anyone seen him bowl. Gavaskar was saying that he is a decent spinner who is good enough to be a support bowler. If true, then he can be a batting-allrounder in spinning conditions. Part timer......he does bowl keep bowling so he wud have better control On such pitches i think if part timer bowl at good pace the pitch will do the rest express bowling 1 Link to comment
flat_wicket_bully Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Didn't Australia go in with only 5 specialist bats + 1 AR + 4 bowlers as well? He only played as a batsman in this match. Did not even bowl a single over Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 No he just needs to provide more overall utility than the next best option Rohit is inconsistent to say the least. Karun looks talented but not sure how is he as a bowler. 3rd spinner wont get much overs so there is no point playing a specialist bowler who cant bat He is pretty much that batting at no.9 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Part timer......he does bowl keep bowling so he wud have better control On such pitches i think if part timer bowl at good pace the pitch will do the rest Is he good enough to fit the role of the 3rd spinner who can bowl around 10 overs a day ? If yes, then he can be a great addition in tests in India. We can have the 6th proper batsmen who is good against spin and the 5th support bowler. Just like Kumble-Kohli have made the bowlers practice their batting, they should make the batsmen ( who can bowl ) practice their bowling too. Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, atishvaze said: He only played as a batsman in this match. Did not even bowl a single over That's probably because we barely lasted for 30 odd overs in each innings tbh. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, atishvaze said: He only played as a batsman in this match. Did not even bowl a single over If they wanted a pure batsman they could have got a better one. We were so afraid of facing Marsh's bowling that we got out before he could bowl a single over in each innings. Link to comment
flat_wicket_bully Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: If they wanted a pure batsman they could have got a better one. We were so afraid of facing Marsh's bowling that we got out before he could bowl a single over in each innings. Yeah I was thinking the same lol 4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: That's probably because we barely lasted for 30 odd overs in each innings tbh. I was joking lol Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, express bowling said: Is he good enough to fit the role of the 3rd spinner who can bowl around 10 overs a day ? If yes, then he can be a great addition in tests in India. We can have the 6th proper batsmen who is good against spin and the 5th support bowler. Just like Kumble-Kohli have made the bowlers practice their batting, they should make the batsmen ( who can bowl ) practice their bowling too. doesnt have the bowling talent of sehwag.... But it wud depend on the pitch, i think on aus- A tour he took few wkts. Right now the issue is our main bowlers arent doing that well, in that case dont know how much wud he be able to do Pujara was practising leg spin for a long while, dnt know what happ to that. Nt to sure either to rely on Nair as 3rd spinner, i think 1st we shud get our bowling soughted. Lets nt make a raging turner like this were evn adding 2 more batsman wnt matter much as on such pitches any ball can jump n kick and get u out. If we have 4 really good bowlers, 5th one can be nair If we are struggling with one of them in 4 like we did with Ishant, ill be worried about nair's bowling. We might need to think out of box by having someone like Jadhav or hooda as another batsman in place of rahane who can play spin as well and then have 6 batsman with nair. As then u have 2 part time option. Edited February 25, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: He is pretty much that batting at no.9 Scored a ton already from there Should bat at 8 tho atleast.Looks better than both Saha and Jaddu to me express bowling 1 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Scored a ton already from there Should bat at 8 tho atleast.Looks better than both Saha and Jaddu to me So ? He also had couple of failures in this test.Thats a moot point. The point is we don't need the no.9 to score big runs .Their big job is bowl and take wickets .How many five wicket hauls he has ? If he is batting at 8 or 9 , then he should be good enough to get into the team as bowler alone.Is he ? Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: So ? He also had couple of failures in this test.Thats a moot point. The point is we don't need the no.9 to score big runs .Their big job is bowl and take wickets .How many five wicket hauls he has ? If he is batting at 8 or 9 , then he should be good enough to get into the team as bowler alone.Is he ? The lack of wickets is mostly due to lack of overs he bowled.Check the difference with Ash-Jaddu.Kohli needs to bowl him more As of now hes someone who contributes in both disciplines without being match winner in either.We need that if we play 5 bowlers. We need our tail to be strong though.Karun might make batting strong but our bowling will be lot weaker,specially with likes of Ishant playing. A pure bowler can be tried for sure if hes proven it in FC etc.Who;s that guy? Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 Cant believe that the hype brigade is still arguing for a 5th bowler. Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 The lack of wickets is mostly due to lack of overs he bowled.Check the difference with Ash-Jaddu.Kohli needs to bowl him more As of now hes someone who contributes in both disciplines without being match winner in either.We need that if we play 5 bowlers. We need our tail to be strong though.Karun might make batting strong but our bowling will be lot weaker,specially with likes of Ishant playing. A pure bowler can be tried for sure if hes proven it in FC etc.Who;s that guy? Are u really suggesting he is the 3rd best spinner in the country . Because if u to play as a all rounder , then u should be good enough to get into either as pure batsman or pure bowler .Otherwise he is just a bits and pieces cricketers and test teams have a history of getting screwed up playing bit's and pieces cricketers . He definitely isn't getting into the team even as a adequate batsman batting at no.9 and definitely not the 3rd best spinner in the country. What we doing making our tail strong but in the process making our middle order incredibly weak .And that is a recipe for collapse .With Ashwin at 6 , Saha at 7 and Jadeja at 9 , that is exactly what we r doing now. I don't have an issue Jayant playing.But he should bat in top 7 and should be good enough to consistently scoring runs .Can't bat at no.9 and bowl few overs o,that will be like we are only playing with 10 players. Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: Are u really suggesting he is the 3rd best spinner in the country . Because if u to play as a all rounder , then u should be good enough to get into either as pure batsman or pure bowler .Otherwise he is just a bits and pieces cricketers and test teams have a history of getting screwed up playing bit's and pieces cricketers . He definitely isn't getting into the team even as a adequate batsman batting at no.9 and definitely not the 3rd best spinner in the country. What we doing making our tail strong but in the process making our middle order incredibly weak .And that is a recipe for collapse .With Ashwin at 6 , Saha at 7 and Jadeja at 9 , that is exactly what we r doing now. I don't have an issue Jayant playing.But he should bat in top 7 and should be good enough to consistently scoring runs .Can't bat at no.9 and bowl few overs o,that will be like we are only playing with 10 players. Thats the point.Thank you. Link to comment
New guy Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 6th batsman.makes no difference when you are 100 all out both innings. Lots.of things went wrong here, however that was not it Mariyam, express bowling and Ankit_sharma03 3 Link to comment
moniker Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 For all the talk of Jayant being innocuous, he did average 73 with the bat and 29 with the ball in the series against England. Ashwin averaged 43 with the bat and 30 with the ball. You can't argue against those numbers. I don't agree with taking away the 100. Yes he did score a good century against England, why take that away? That's not how averages work. You can't consider that an outlier until the sample size is bigger. Jadeja was considered a bits and pieces cricketer too. Hasn't he kept taking wickets and settled in the team as a bowler? Heck, even Steve Smith was considered a bits and pieces cricketer. About Jayant batting at 9, the logic in the team seems to be that if you aren't a specialist batsman, the established all rounders in the team bat ahead of you. That's why Ashwin bats ahead of Saha. I would prefer Jayant being ahead of Ashwin and Jadeja though, as he is a batting all rounder. The triple centurion and the supposedly best player of spin should be in the team, yes, but shouldn't that be in place of a specialist batsman who isn't a good player of spin (Rahane)? Why should he replace an all rounder who had been doing well till recently and had a bad test like everyone else in the team? Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said: Are u really suggesting he is the 3rd best spinner in the country . Because if u to play as a all rounder , then u should be good enough to get into either as pure batsman or pure bowler .Otherwise he is just a bits and pieces cricketers and test teams have a history of getting screwed up playing bit's and pieces cricketers . He definitely isn't getting into the team even as a adequate batsman batting at no.9 and definitely not the 3rd best spinner in the country. What we doing making our tail strong but in the process making our middle order incredibly weak .And that is a recipe for collapse .With Ashwin at 6 , Saha at 7 and Jadeja at 9 , that is exactly what we r doing now. I don't have an issue Jayant playing.But he should bat in top 7 and should be good enough to consistently scoring runs .Can't bat at no.9 and bowl few overs o,that will be like we are only playing with 10 players. Is their any 3rd best spinner whos better than him by a long way?If not why not get a package Agree should be batting at 7 if we play 5 bowlers and should get more overs Link to comment
Hell Raiser Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Jayant yadav doesn't inspire much confidence with his bowling. Either we should play a proper bowler or a batsmen in place of him. I don't know why shreyas gopal is not in scheme of things. If we want someone who can provide crucial breakthroughs and can also bat then gopal is the best option available. Certainly lot better than yadav. He should have played alot of india A games by now. He is a good leg spinner and decent lower order batsmen as well. Have to say he is a very underrated player. Lord and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hell Raiser said: Jayant yadav doesn't inspire much confidence with his bowling. Either we should play a proper bowler or a batsmen in place of him. I don't know why shreyas gopal is not in scheme of things. If we want someone who can provide crucial breakthroughs and can also bat then gopal is the best option available. Certainly lot better than yadav. He should have played alot of india A games by now. He is a good leg spinner and decent lower order batsmen as well. Have to say he is a very underrated player. Agree.Gopal for some reason isnt backed at any level Hell Raiser and express bowling 2 Link to comment
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