zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) One of the problems with Ind is that it has kept increasing its human population w/o making investments to support such a growth To support this growth, many folks talk about taking resources away from other domains, which is like rewarding the culprits. The solution to alleviating the conditions of people is multi pronged with no short cuts. It will take time and a lot of effort We can't ignore the animals, environment, etc. till the situation improves for humans as if/when that happens, it could be too late for the planet, which could likely have changed for worse As they say - intelligence has its limits, stupidy is limitless Edited May 3, 2017 by zen Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) If we were to forecast evolution of human beings, chances are that in the distant future, the term homo sapiens may need to be replaced with something like super beings .... homo sapiens could go the neanderthals' way Preserving the ecosystem is important Edited May 3, 2017 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Let's be honest if there were no muslims in India no would give a flying * about cows, Wherever they go they create problems for others. Book_Worm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NareshK Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, panther said: Let's be honest if there were no muslims in India no would give a flying * about cows, Wherever they go they create problems for others. That's just your assumption. Cows were respected in India for thousands of years especially in rural communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Singh bling said: Even after so much education you don't know simple multiplication .1 Cow produces 10 calves in lifetime and live 20 years if 8 survive 4 will me male , totally useless, .So keep multiplying and tell what will be number of cows and bulls after 10-20-30-40-50 years.Don't slaughter now what will you do after 10-20-30 years. For other animals like dogs animal right activists sterilize them but dairy industry cannot sterilize cows as they will not give milk Animals are not commodities like you make it sound in your post Edited May 3, 2017 by zen Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, zen said: Animals are not commodities like you make it sound in your post For farmers animals are commodities and economic asset .There is no way you can do uncontrolled breeding of animal and then ask not to cull it.Take a look at Haryana , one of most cow fanatic state , people have almost stopped rearing cows because they don't give them good returns as buffaloes give , 80% of cattle population of Haryana is Buffalo.Farmers will always rear an animal that gives them good profit. If you are so dead against killing then ask Govt stop dairy farms of cows and like dogs only those who love them as pets should rear them . and take a look how bulls are castrated This has been happening from centuries nobody has problem with it.This is the way human civilization progressed liked it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, zen said: If we were to forecast evolution of human beings, chances are that in the distant future, the term homo sapiens may need to be replaced with something like super beings .... homo sapiens could go the neanderthals' way Preserving the ecosystem is important ecosystem is very cruel , survival of fittest old herbivores are regularly taken down by carnivores , now when humans want to cull them down you people start crying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Singh bling said: For farmers animals are commodities and economic asset .There is no way you can do uncontrolled breeding of animal and then ask not to cull it.Take a look at Haryana , one of most cow fanatic state , people have almost stopped rearing cows because they don't give them good returns as buffaloes give , 80% of cattle population of Haryana is Buffalo.Farmers will always rear an animal that gives them good profit. If you are so dead against killing then ask Govt stop dairy farms of cows and like dogs only those who love them as pets should rear them . and take a look how bulls are castrated This has been happening from centuries nobody has problem with it.This is the way human civilization progressed liked it or not Animals have right too even in the way they are handled .... whatever is done to animals (or humans) should follow proper humane procedures What I implied in my last post was the above .... As we dont treat humans as commodities (many do though) even when we employ them for economic reasons, we should not treat animals as mere commodities Edited May 3, 2017 by zen Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Singh bling said: ecosystem is very cruel , survival of fittest old herbivores are regularly taken down by carnivores , now when humans want to cull them down you people start crying Not apples to apples, my friend .... Generally speaking, human activities are changing the planet including through practices such as carbon emissions, which negatively impacts the planet and natural habitats Humans have a choice. Making better choices including having pro ecosystem policies will produce better results / win-win for all Edited May 3, 2017 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, panther said: Let's be honest if there were no muslims in India no would give a flying * about cows, Wherever they go they create problems for others. ??? That's your ignorance talking. Feeding a cow is considered a righteous thing to do by lot of Hindus. To the extent that temples in US have in rural areas enable visitors to do this by keeping a cow or 2 on its premises. I will agree with you that the OTT fundamentalist 'protection' of cows is more of asserting the 'will of the majority' over the muslims. Very retrogressive and foolish, no wonder the noises and actions associated with this issue are the criminal goonda types. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 One of the biggest flaws of statements such as "humans first, rest second" is that if human upliftment is not a priority, nothing else is. And this probably serves no one On the other hand, if the smallest, lightest, tenderest, nicest, most helpless, etc. is to be given priority or treated equally, it automatically implies that those considered or perceived to be higher in the value chain would need to be treated nicely. Creating a win/win To simplify, let's assume that humans = cars and animals = bicycles. Now see the statements below: I don't take care of my car (which implies that I would give even less priority to the bicycle) I take care of my bicycle (which logically leads to I would take care of my car too, which cost me more than the bicycle) Therefore to create a genuine movement to uplift humans, one needs to start respecting others forms as well and treat them fairly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Not apples to apples, my friend .... Generally speaking, human activities are changing the planet including through practices such as carbon emissions, which negatively impacts the planet and natural habitats Humans have a choice. Making better choices including having pro ecosystem policies will produce better results / win-win for all By doing artificial insemination and forcing them to produce 10 calves we already interfere with eco system , just ban dairy industry for cows and problem solved Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 19 hours ago, zen said: Cool! .... Need to expand such services including for other animals And humans too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Singh bling said: For farmers animals are commodities and economic asset .There is no way you can do uncontrolled breeding of animal and then ask not to cull it.Take a look at Haryana , one of most cow fanatic state , people have almost stopped rearing cows because they don't give them good returns as buffaloes give , 80% of cattle population of Haryana is Buffalo.Farmers will always rear an animal that gives them good profit. If you are so dead against killing then ask Govt stop dairy farms of cows and like dogs only those who love them as pets should rear them . and take a look how bulls are castrated This has been happening from centuries nobody has problem with it.This is the way human civilization progressed liked it or not Arre bhai, They castrate Bulls to domesticise them and use them in farming. Else these bulls give a lot of trouble while ploughing the field. Go and ask the villagers. Uncastrated ones are called "Saand" in Hindi, They are generally best for breeding while castrated one are called "Bail" and are good for ploughing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Arre bhai, They castrate Bulls to domesticise them and use them in farming. Else these bulls give a lot of trouble while ploughing the field. Go and ask the villagers. Uncastrated ones are called "Saand" in Hindi, They are generally best for breeding while castrated one are called "Bail" and are good for ploughing I know bhai but can you castrate a human to make him docile , castrating human is mutilation while castrating animals is necessity , this is the difference between human and animal rights Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 5 hours ago, zen said: Animals have right too even in the way they are handled .... whatever is done to animals (or humans) should follow proper humane procedures What I implied in my last post was the above .... As we dont treat humans as commodities (many do though) even when we employ them for economic reasons, we should not treat animals as mere commodities Why not ambulances for pigs? Goats? Sheep? Crows? Once you get past your own species, where do you draw the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Vote bank, PR populist move. Useless idiot politicians . Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Brainfade said: Why not ambulances for pigs? Goats? Sheep? Crows? Once you get past your own species, where do you draw the line? It should be for all animals. But in Ind, many are alien to the concept of treating animals (or even humans for the matter) well so I view this as a good start. If not for cows, people in Ind may not be even thinking about having ambulances for animals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, mishra said: And humans too Ofc .... but note that in Ind, humans have option to call taxis, use neighbors, friends, etc. as well, along with having access to doctors who can visit at a short notice Edited May 3, 2017 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 3 hours ago, zen said: It should be for all animals. But in Ind, many are alien to the concept of treating animals (or even humans for the matter) well so I view this as a good start. If not for cows, people in Ind may not be even thinking about having ambulances for animals All, eh? At least a million species known to man. Draw the line and tell us why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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