How to drown a tiger (Ken-Betwa River Linking)

[Gollum]

Just eight years after the tiger’s return to Panna, what could have been India’s best wildlife success story is now under threat from an ill-conceived river-linking project

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/how-to-drown-a-tiger/article18183135.ece

 

Interesting read. What to make of these ambitious river linking projects in the pipeline? This government sure placing its bets on such projects. But is it environmentally sustainable? How badly will tribals get affected? What will be the effect on keystone species? Why act against recommendations by high level expert groups?

[zen]

I am more concerned about the Tigers and ecosystem .... Ind's economic development agenda at the cost of everything else could be devastating for the ecosystem

 

 

[cowboysfan]

10 hours ago, zen said:

I am more concerned about the Tigers and ecosystem .... Ind's economic development agenda at the cost of everything else could be devastating for the ecosystem

 

 

pEople in big cities are running out of wate,our resvoirs are running low and it will continue to get worse,we have to be able to sustain droughts and let water reach places where the monsoon has be slow.I will pick people over Tigers everytime .

[zen]

1 hour ago, cowboysfan said:

pEople in big cities are running out of wate,our resvoirs are running low and it will continue to get worse,we have to be able to sustain droughts and let water reach places where the monsoon has be slow.I will pick people over Tigers everytime .

Ofc. People over Tigers this time, over Elephants next time, then Forests, and so on 

 

May be since poor people have no where to dispose garbage optimally, they should pollute rivers such as Ganga too .... People > River's ecosystem

 

When we run out of other living beings, may be we can make it picking people x over people y

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by zen

[gattaca]

2 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

pEople in big cities are running out of wate,our resvoirs are running low and it will continue to get worse,we have to be able to sustain droughts and let water reach places where the monsoon has be slow.I will pick people over Tigers everytime .

All living being should have equal rights. Just because we messed up something and dont fix that but rather mess something else. This will only get worse if we do this way. I have to quote below famous one.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

- MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

Edited May 4, 2017 by gattaca

[surajmal]

http://in.reuters.com/article/india-rivers/modis-87-billion-river-linking-gamble-set-to-take-off-as-floods-hit-india-idINKCN1BC3HJ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a8c05204d301476ae8d83e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 

Finally. 

[The Outsider]

This river linking garbage is a bigger disaster than demonetization and something which can rival Aadhaar. Again, like demonetization the cowshed loonies are plunging into dangerous territory with absolutely no clue of the risks that lie ahead. Like demonetization, every respectable scientific authority and figure has called this a rubbish plan which will accomplish nothing while putting millions of lives at stake, destroying their livelihoods, and devastating the ecosystem. Of course, we are talking about an organization which is yet to figure out what the appropriate length of their chaddhi should be, so this is not a surprise.

 

To start off, they don't even have a definition of what surplus and deficit means in the context of rivers. Just because a river is above a certain level doesn't mean there is 'surplus' water - there are thousands of square kilometers of floodplains which survive and thrive on this 'surplus' by replenishing the groundwater. It will take only a few of these links to be complete and a harsh weather event to demonstrate the absolute havoc such a policy will entail. But before that rivers and their fragile ecosystems will be lost, perhaps forever. 

[mishra]

57 minutes ago, The Outsider said:

This river linking garbage is a bigger disaster than demonetization and something which can rival Aadhaar. Again, like demonetization the cowshed loonies are plunging into dangerous territory with absolutely no clue of the risks that lie ahead. Like demonetization, every respectable scientific authority and figure has called this a rubbish plan which will accomplish nothing while putting millions of lives at stake, destroying their livelihoods, and devastating the ecosystem. Of course, we are talking about an organization which is yet to figure out what the appropriate length of their chaddhi should be, so this is not a surprise.

 

To start off, they don't even have a definition of what surplus and deficit means in the context of rivers. Just because a river is above a certain level doesn't mean there is 'surplus' water - there are thousands of square kilometers of floodplains which survive and thrive on this 'surplus' by replenishing the groundwater. It will take only a few of these links to be complete and a harsh weather event to demonstrate the absolute havoc such a policy will entail. But before that rivers and their fragile ecosystems will be lost, perhaps forever. 

Yes, A disaster like Golden quadrilateral. 

On one hand We have water going waste to various sea and oceans and Pakistan. Farmers dieing because if draught. Forget that, even cricket matches shifted to alternative venue and people just come with nonsense that we shouldnt invest on it.

 

Ground water replinishment is part of story. There will be jobs, waterways may be used as mode of transport and tourism. Not just linking, I will say we need massive dams at mouth of our big rivers and sweet water plants so that we can attempt to sustain the exploding  population bomb of India. 

I know you like to oppose BJP but this time you simply sound silly

[cowboysfan]

On 9/4/2017 at 11:35 AM, mishra said:

Yes, A disaster like Golden quadrilateral. 

On one hand We have water going waste to various sea and oceans and Pakistan. Farmers dieing because if draught. Forget that, even cricket matches shifted to alternative venue and people just come with nonsense that we shouldnt invest on it.

 

Ground water replinishment is part of story. There will be jobs, waterways may be used as mode of transport and tourism. Not just linking, I will say we need massive dams at mouth of our big rivers and sweet water plants so that we can attempt to sustain the exploding  population bomb of India. 

I know you like to oppose BJP but this time you simply sound silly

no he doesnt ,he has made a valid point.I would like to see this happen but not at the catastrophic destruction of the ecology of the areas around the rivers.If the scientists really think it s a bad idea then we should listen to them.maybe constructing canals and creating reservoirs is the way to go.

[mishra]

7 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

no he doesnt ,he has made a valid point.I would like to see this happen but not at the catastrophic destruction of the ecology of the areas around the rivers.If the scientists really think it s a bad idea then we should listen to them.maybe constructing canals and creating reservoirs is the way to go.

And that has failed. We have dry canals and dry reservoirs. As far as "scientist think",  which scientist? The ones who hasnt even been able to define 'surplus' water .

Edited September 6, 2017 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

On 9/4/2017 at 8:27 AM, The Outsider said:

This river linking garbage is a bigger disaster than demonetization and something which can rival Aadhaar. Again, like demonetization the cowshed loonies are plunging into dangerous territory with absolutely no clue of the risks that lie ahead. Like demonetization, every respectable scientific authority and figure has called this a rubbish plan which will accomplish nothing while putting millions of lives at stake, destroying their livelihoods, and devastating the ecosystem. Of course, we are talking about an organization which is yet to figure out what the appropriate length of their chaddhi should be, so this is not a surprise.

 

To start off, they don't even have a definition of what surplus and deficit means in the context of rivers. Just because a river is above a certain level doesn't mean there is 'surplus' water - there are thousands of square kilometers of floodplains which survive and thrive on this 'surplus' by replenishing the groundwater. It will take only a few of these links to be complete and a harsh weather event to demonstrate the absolute havoc such a policy will entail. But before that rivers and their fragile ecosystems will be lost, perhaps forever. 

We have good idea of what lies ahead. River linking projects aren't exactly brand-new things. China conducted one....over 500 years ago when they linked the Yangtze with Huang-He, via the grand canal. the US has done so, almost 100 years ago, when they linked the Ohio river with Lake Michigan.

 

Your 'science' is lacking on this topic. If your concern is ground-water, we can point towards UK's rain harvesting system as adequate in both replenishing groundwater and providing human usage. If ground-water is the issue, river linkage solves it, not make it into a problem. All one has to do, is river-link Brahmpautra basin, which has several meters worth of rain-water run-off every year, flooding Bangladesh, with the central & western Indian river systems.