Gollum Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Criteria: Batsmen from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh Batting positions 1 to 7 because batsmen+keeper usually bat in the top 7. Min 12 matches because Rohit Sharma has played 12 matches outside Asia. Venue: Outside Asia excluding minnow Zimbabwe, even Rohit hasn't played there. Only Aus, Eng, NZ, SA, WI considered. Go to the link below to see the entire list if you are interested, 98 players have fulfilled this criteria. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=12;qualval1=matches;size=150;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting Allow me to present top 20 and bottom 20 (scroll down for the 2 tables but before doing that keep sharp objects away from sight ) Rahane is the best Asian batsman outside Asia (min 12 matches) having scored 1312 runs in 17 matches at an average of 54.66 with 4 100s and 7 50s. I won't necessarily call him better than Dravid/SRT/Gavaskar/Miandad because in their cases the sample size is much larger. Still shows how good Rahane has been outside Asia. Rohit Sharma is at number 14 from bottom. He has 502 runs in 12 matches at an average of 23.90, no 100 and just 2 50s . But according to Crooked Kohli horses for courses, overseas conditions, assess the conditions, intent blah blah blah blah. P.S. Even on the intent front Rahane is ahead of Rohit. Outside Asia Rahane's SR is 53.96 while Rohit's is 44.46 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=12;qualval1=matches;size=150;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting) Edited January 22, 2018 by Gollum velu and Forever Indian 1 1 Link to comment
VT87 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Where is your favourite Pujara? velu and kira 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, VT87 said: Where is your favourite Pujara? Link pe click kar, only top 20 and bottom 20 shown here. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=12;qualval1=matches;size=150;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting He is averaging 27.42 sandwiched between Manjrekar and Rameez Raja. Link to comment
zen Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Gavaskar 15 100s in only 81 innings (a 100 every 5 innings or so) Edited January 22, 2018 by zen Gollum 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Surprised to see Saleem Malik, Imran and Miandad ranked so high. Only 1 Lankan in the top 20 is kinda unexpected. Link to comment
zen Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, zen said: Gavaskar 15 100s in only 81 innings (a 100 every 5 innings or so) Tendulkar (with most 100s on the list) has 3 more 100s than Gavaskar but has played a staggering 47 more innings, i.e. 1 every 15 innings or so to hit 3 more .... Gavaskar’s performance is simply brilliant Edited January 22, 2018 by zen Gollum 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Criteria: Batsmen from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh Batting positions 1 to 7 because batsmen+keeper usually bat in the top 7. Min 12 matches because Rohit Sharma has played 12 matches outside Asia. Venue: Outside Asia excluding minnow Zimbabwe, even Rohit hasn't played there. Only Aus, Eng, NZ, SA, WI considered. Go to the link below to see the entire list if you are interested, 98 players have fulfilled this criteria. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=12;qualval1=matches;size=150;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting Allow me to present top 20 and bottom 20 (scroll down for the 2 tables but before doing that keep sharp objects away from sight ) Rahane is the best Asian batsman outside Asia (min 12 matches) having scored 1312 runs in 17 matches at an average of 54.66 with 4 100s and 7 50s. I won't necessarily call him better than Dravid/SRT/Gavaskar/Miandad because in their cases the sample size is much larger. Still shows how good Rahane has been outside Asia. Rohit Sharma is at number 14 from bottom. He has 502 runs in 12 matches at an average of 23.90, no 100 and just 2 50s . But according to Crooked Kohli horses for courses, overseas conditions, assess the conditions, intent blah blah blah blah. P.S. Even on the intent front Rahane is ahead of Rohit. Outside Asia Rahane's SR is 53.96 while Rohit's is 44.46 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=12;qualval1=matches;size=150;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting) Kick out the best overseas batsman and bowler - Kohli's aggressive risks to win overseas! Jimmy Cliff and Gollum 1 1 Link to comment
kira Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Sab ka pyara dulara pujara averages 27 outside asia so called test specialist, he plays just one format, he has no strokes so he can't score runs in boundaries and sixes, he can't run to save his life so he can't even score taking singles and doubles that's why he always ends up getting out on phateechar 20s and 30s despite playing 100+ balls #DROPPUJARA Edited January 22, 2018 by kira Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, kira said: Sab ka pyara dulara pujara averages 27 outside asia so called test specialist, he plays just one format, he has no strokes so he can't score runs in boundaries and sixes, he can't run to save his life so he can't even score taking singles and doubles that's why he always ends up getting out on phateechar 20s and 30s despite playing 100+ balls #DROPPUJARA Still is the best in Asia averaging 65+ and unlike sabka pyara Kohli he doesn't go MIA on turners . Link to comment
bhakum20 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sangakkara's average outside Asia is 10 runs lower than his overall Average, what an ATB Link to comment
kira Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Gollum said: Still is the best in Asia averaging 65+ and unlike sabka pyara Kohli he doesn't go MIA on turners . Sabka pyara? lol kohli despite being the best Indian test batsman and leagues above pujara is one of the most hated players on this forum #ThanklessIdiots Btw this thread is about asian batsmen outside asia so don't see how his average in asia matters? Pujara isn't fit enough to tie kohli's shoelaces Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Dravid owning sachin as usual Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 37 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said: I know you said batsmen but interested to see where would Ashwin be on this list? http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting He averages 32.95 with 725 runs, 2 100s and 2 50s. Above Rohit, Dhawan, Vijay and Pujara. On that list he will be between Angelo Matthews and Aamir Sohail. Interestingly he is above many other stalwarts/good batsmen on that list namely: Aamir Sohail Mahela Jayawardana Vengsarkar Wasim Raja Vinoo Mankad Jayasuriya Dhoni Asad Shafiq Sidhu Manjrekar Rameez Raja Kapil Mudassar Nazar Borde Wadekar Mahanama Butt Sarfraz Ahmed Moin Khan Kamran Akmal Hafeez Abdul Razzaq many more, check the OP link for the complete list UnknownGenius 1 Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 22 hours ago, Gollum said: Surprised to see Saleem Malik, Imran and Miandad ranked so high. Only 1 Lankan in the top 20 is kinda unexpected. Why Miandad? Link to comment
kosingh Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 22 hours ago, Gollum said: Surprised to see Saleem Malik, Imran and Miandad ranked so high. Only 1 Lankan in the top 20 is kinda unexpected. 1 minute ago, Tattieboy said: Why Miandad? Miandad was brilliant. Loved watching him bat. Tattieboy 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tattieboy said: Why Miandad? I know Miandad was good in NZ and Eng but felt his average would be dragged down because of Aus and WI, he was very iffy against bounce and genuine pace. I expected Majid Khan to rank in the top 20. Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, kosingh said: Miandad was brilliant. Loved watching him bat. Exactly he had what is lacking in most of Indian batsmen in South Africa ...determination and guts when playing overseas Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Gollum said: I know Miandad was good in NZ and Eng but felt his average would be dragged down because of Aus and WI, he was very iffy against bounce and genuine pace. I expected Majid Khan to rank in the top 20. Majid Khan was a very good bat too and like you I would have expected to see him there Gollum 1 Link to comment
fineleg Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, UnknownGenius said: I know you said batsmen but interested to see where would Ashwin be on this list? Curious - What happens if we remove stats against the Weak West Indies of last decade for Ash and all others too ? Link to comment
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