Shastri/Kohli's stubbornness in team selections led to India wasting a golden chance to win Test series in SA

[AmreekanDesi]

So pissed...

 

we we got our team right in the ODIs and t20a and absolutely smashed them

 

and Aus are making SA look like absolute mugs right now 

[lamellavig]

11 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said:

So pissed...

 

we we got our team right in the ODIs and t20a and absolutely smashed them

 

and Aus are making SA look like absolute mugs right now 

More like a lack of player quality. Good tactics are good tactics, but a difference in player quality will make significant difference. If India are to be proud of their cricket team, they cannot rely on good tactics to make up a lack of talent.

 

Ensure that the players are good enough, such that there is a significant gap in talent. Then you can use the bulldozing tactics which Australia so admirably use, and with such great efficient. Look at Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc. They are gorging on stupendous bowling talent. These are 3 intellectuals at the very core of Australia's sporting philosophy. They create a gap in talent. They can hence bulldoze the South African lineup, on a pitch where they themselves score 350. 

 

When you look at the likes of Rohit, Vijay, Pujara etc. you can deduce that Indian cricket likes attractive, but not efficient batsmen. For instance look at David Warner, an opener. Very first test, and he notches a useful fifty. Indian batsmen need to be efficient, and the bowling, though it is on an upward incline, needs to be of higher class.

 

Sport is, first and foremost, about talent. 

[wanted_desi]

Indeed, we could have won this series if Rahane was selected instead of Talent. Some next batsman was selected instead of Pandya, who hardly bowled. Leg spinner was selected instead of finger Spinner. 

Edited March 2, 2018 by wanted_desi

[lamellavig]

4 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Indeed, we could have won this series if Rahane was selected instead of Talent. Some next batsman was selected instead of Pandya, who hardly bowled. 

if we had better players, we could have won.

[wanted_desi]

Just now, lamellavig said:

if we had better players, we could have won.

We had better players but they were benched or not taken all together. What was point of taking Jedeja to South Africa, why not one leg spinner those enjoyed success later on. 

[lamellavig]

1 minute ago, wanted_desi said:

We had better players but they were benched or not taken all together. What was point of taking Jedeja to South Africa, why not one leg spinner those enjoyed success later on. 

then those players should have made a better case for selection. They were not good/skilled enough to make conclusive selection.

[Jamadagni]

This pitch is no minefield like the ones SA prepared against us. Absolute top class bowling from Australia. We do have decent bowlers but Australian bowlers are on another level.

 

If Indian bowlers had been playing instead of Australian bowlers in this test, ABD would have formed important partnerships with Philander, Maharaja, Rabada and final score would have been around 340 giving a small lead to India, who in turn would end up getting all out for 180 in the third innings, which SA would chase with 50s from Faf and Elgar. All this of course is assuming Rahane helped us score 350 first up. Lost in first test was always on the cards due to the schedule. The second test was what disappointed me. There weren't many demons, we could have got a big lead if those midgets Vijay and Pujara had supported Kohli and another midget Ashwin had bowled the right line and lengths. And also the toss didn't do us any favour. 

Edited March 2, 2018 by Jamadagni

[lamellavig]

1 minute ago, Jamadagni said:

This pitch is no minefield like the ones SA prepared against us. Absolute top class bowling from Australia. We do have decent bowlers but Australian bowlers are on another level.

 

If Indian bowlers had been playing instead of Australian bowlers in this test, ABD would have formed important partnerships with Philander, Maharaja, Rabada and final score would have been around 340 giving a small lead to India, who in turn would end up getting all out for 180, which SA would chase with 50s from Faf and Elgar. This is of course assuming Rahane helped us score 350 first up. Lost in first test was always on the cards due to the schedule. The second test was what disappointed me. There weren't many demons, we could have got a big lead if those midgets Vijay and Pujara had supported Kohli and another midget Ashwin had bowled the right line and lengths. 

correct. lyon is better than ashwin, but warne was 15 times better than lyon.

[Jamadagni]

By the way when was the last time Australia lost a series in South Africa? They have outclassed whatever team South Africa played with. Cant gauge our performance by comparing with Australia's. 

[lamellavig]

1 minute ago, Jamadagni said:

By the way when was the last time Australia lost a series in South Africa? They have outclassed whatever team South Africa played with. Cant gauge our performance by comparing with Australia's. 

you sure can. Australia are just a better team.

[Vilander]

52 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Sport is, first and foremost, about talent preparation

corrected.

 

talent means its a natural skill, sports(cricket) can be coached and learned.

 

India lacked in preparation of a different kind not the basics but more advanced practice games that Aus have got right.

[Vilander]

3 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Australia are just a better team in SA

again they just got trashed in India. So be more specific.

[Vilander]

39 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Indeed, we could have won this series if Rahane was selected instead of Talent. Some next batsman was selected instead of Pandya, who hardly bowled. Leg spinner was selected instead of finger Spinner. 

Rahane - Rohit

Kuldeep - Ashwin

Bhuvi played second test.

 

These were top mess ups.

 

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

By the way when was the last time Australia lost a series in South Africa? They have outclassed whatever team South Africa played with. Cant gauge our performance by comparing with Australia's. 

SA have won last three series in Aus, Aus has done the same in SA.

 

with these two teams the home/away somehow reverses.

[lamellavig]

3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

again they just got trashed in India. So be more specific.

They won by 333 runs. They were the more attacking cricket team, and India were the more defensive cricket team. Sure they lost 2-1, but they brutally dominated a test and won by 333 runs, playing exciting attacking, philosphical cricket throughout. 

[Vilander]

Just now, lamellavig said:

They won by 333 runs. They were the more attacking cricket team, and India were the more defensive cricket team. Sure they lost 2-1, but they brutally dominated a test and won by 333 runs, playing exciting attacking, philosphical cricket throughout. 

They still were not the better team. India has won in Aus as well, still Aus is a better team in Aus. Just stating facts. Point is to win games and series.

[lamellavig]

Just now, Vilander said:

They still were not the better team. India has won in Aus as well, still Aus is a better team in Aus. Just stating facts. Point is to win games and series.

India has never won a test series in Aus, where Aus have won multiple series in India. 

 

Anyway, you suggested that Aus were trashed. Aus are never trashed, especially not by India. To suggest Aus were trashed by India is bordering on insanity. Let me make that clear. it was a very even series, slightly edged by India. However, Aus were clearly the more philosophical and attacking cricket team. 

[Vilander]

2 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

India has never won a test series in Aus, where Aus have won multiple series in India. 

 

Anyway, you suggested that Aus were trashed. Aus are never trashed, especially not by India. To suggest Aus were trashed by India is bordering on insanity. Let me make that clear. it was a very even series, slightly edged by India. However, Aus were clearly the more philosophical and attacking cricket team. 

Agreed Aus dominates at home better, basically a home track bully, before Lyon they did not have a good spinner in India, we will only know next series if India now have good fastbowlers in Aus. Imagine Aus and India playing across the world. India would trash Aus in SC wickets, Aus would trash India seaming tracks as their bowlers will exploit it better, it will be lurid in swinging seaming conditions one of them will loose, still Aus will probably get the better of India.  Remember the 3rd test was almost own by India aus were 175 odd for 6 but there was not enough time. 

 

Aus is not just the better team.

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Aus are never trashed, especially not by India. To suggest Aus were trashed by India is bordering on insanity. Let me make that clear. it was a very even series, slightly edged by India. However, Aus were clearly the more philosophical and attacking cricket team. 

pfft what was 4-0 in 2013 test series ? hehe if thats not trashing what is ? 

 

I remember they were even very close to loosing to India A in 3 days hehe..

[lamellavig]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

Agreed Aus dominates at home better, basically a home track bully, before Lyon they did not have a good spinner in India, we will only know next series if India now have good fastbowlers in Aus. Imagine Aus and India playing across the world. India would trash Aus in SC wickets, Aus would trash India seaming tracks as their bowlers will exploit it better, it will be lurid in swinging seaming conditions one of them will loose, still Aus will probably get the better of India.  Remember the 3rd test was almost own by India aus were 175 odd for 6 but there was not enough time. 

 

Aus is not just the better team.

The idiocy is extreme here.

 

1) we know that Aus have SIGNIFICANTLY better fast bowling than India. Observe how Aus demolished SA on a flat pitch, whereas India struggle to dismiss SA below 250 in the first innings of first test, and also let SA get 340 on a comparable pitch in second test.

 

2) I already explained that India did not trash Aus at home. However, your stupidity warrants further explanation. Allow me to confirm that Aus won a test by playing exciting, attacking cricket to the tune of 333 runs. They also lost an even series 2-1.

 

3) Aus have more intellectuals in their team than India, and focus on playing philosphical, attacking cricket for the spectators.

 

Hence, Australia may be a home-track bully, but they are several eons above India away from home. They are so good at home that they are indeed bullies, but they are still bullies away from home.