All Rounders do not exist.

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

I dont care T20s at all but one thing i know about LOIs is that you dont drop a proven wickettaker for a allrounder who is neither good at batting or bowling.

Chahal is dropped for khaleel not krunal

Krunal has taken place of injured hardik

 

All rounder replaces all rounder

bowler replaces bowler

 

Why is it so diff to understand

[Straight Drive]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Chahal is dropped for khaleel not krunal

Krunal has taken place of injured hardik

 

All rounder replaces all rounder

bowler replaces bowler

 

Why is it so diff to understand

Ideally in Australia a pace bowling all rounder should be taken rather than spin all rounder, so that the player can exploit the conditions.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Ideally in Australia a pace bowling all rounder should be taken rather than spin all rounder, so that the player can exploit the conditions.

koi hai nahin 

[Clarke]

Hehe, 6th bowling option for 20 effin overs. Coz the first 5 felt short and the 6th will save the day.

 

There is no hard & fast rule that an all rounder is necessary in any format. If u got a good one, great, if not, stick with ur best XI of specialists.

 

Krunal had a bad day and I am tempted to play 5 bowlers including Chahal. Wristies have been more competitive in Aus than orthodox spinners & Chahal has a very good record thus far in LOIs. 

 

6 good batsmen (no Dhoni, Pandey etc) should be enough to chase middle of the road targets provided by the strengthened bowling assuming they dont throw their wickets away.

 

 

[Straight Drive]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

koi hai nahin 

Fantastic squad selection. No pace all rounder for tour to Australia, rather spin all rounder is there. 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So 

Chahal went for 64 runs in SA (its more then 55)

 

t20 men sabko maar padti hai

 

If ur trying to imply pandya bros has no right to fail and it serves ur agenda.....ill take ur point 

Still cricket is a human game and every one has off days

A day off here and there is never a problem. Continuously having days off is the issue.

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, Khota said:

A day off here and there is never a problem. Continuously having days off is the issue.

what continous off days the guy has jst played 4 games

•  his debut was good
• in 2nd games his eco was 5.75 which is really good in t20
• 3rd game went for 40 , bhuvi went for 39 , khaleel 37.....soo

 

So 2 bad games in which 1 game almost all bowler went for some, tere fact hi sahi nhin kya debate kru

 

Dhoni had 3-4 all off games and becmae an ATG and likes of yuvi, rohit took 70-80 games to be consistent

u hve passed a judgement on a guy in 2 games 

 

Kitaabi baaten sunke aa gya ....specialist n all.....1 fact nhin jo teri theory prove kre

Edited November 22, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

Fantastic squad selection. No pace all rounder for tour to Australia, rather spin all rounder is there. 

their is no option in India of a pace bowling all rounder

Shankar is the one he cnt bat 7 with his s/r

rest chahar is considered another and he was utter flop

 

Aise thode import krle dusre desh se....option nhin hai

Edited November 22, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

50 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

what continous off days the guy has jst played 4 games

•  his debut was good
• in 2nd games his eco was 5.75 which is really good in t20
• 3rd game went for 40 , bhuvi went for 39 , khaleel 37.....soo

 

So 2 bad games in which 1 game almost all bowler went for some, tere fact hi sahi nhin kya debate kru

 

Dhoni had 3-4 all off games and becmae an ATG and likes of yuvi, rohit took 70-80 games to be consistent

u hve passed a judgement on a guy in 2 games 

 

Kitaabi baaten sunke aa gya ....specialist n all.....1 fact nhin jo teri theory prove kre

Mere bhai dekho yeh kya * machaye ga.

[kohli]

42 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

their is no option in India of a pace bowling all rounder

Shankar is the one he cnt bat 7 with his s/r

rest chahar is considered another and he was utter flop

 

Aise thode import krle dusre desh se....option nhin hai

Both pandya can play in t20 but  no chance in odi.we need proper batsman at number 6,who can Roll their arms for some over.any part time bowler can bowl in indian pitches,even yuvi & rohit had ipl  hatrick wicket.

[Ankit_sharma03]

38 minutes ago, Khota said:

Mere bhai dekho yeh kya * machaye ga.

mere bhai khatam ho gye logic.....

please dnt not indulge in a debate with someone without stats n facts

or else ull resort to lines only which makes no sense

[Ankit_sharma03]

39 minutes ago, kohli said:

Both pandya can play in t20 but  no chance in odi.we need proper batsman at number 6,who can Roll their arms for some over.any part time bowler can bowl in indian pitches,even yuvi & rohit had ipl  hatrick wicket.

in t20 , u hve 5 fielders are outside circle so part timer have some help

In odi , 10-40 overs only 4....so part timer arent used as much

 

Yuvi isnt their

Rohit doesnt bowl

Jadhav is ininjury ward half time 

 

Krunal can bowl better on indian pitches then any part timer and 6th bowler shud be someone who has ability to give u 5+ over consistently. Jadhav is enjoying his phase when no one has figured him out , soon teams will and he ll travel like he did in deodhar trophy....everyone was smashing him 

 

Hardik is ready now for a promotion in ODi and to bat at no 6....

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

mere bhai khatam ho gye logic.....

please dnt not indulge in a debate with someone without stats n facts

or else ull resort to lines only which makes no sense

Those 55 runs are not stats?

[Straight Drive]

9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

their is no option in India of a pace bowling all rounder

Shankar is the one he cnt bat 7 with his s/r

rest chahar is considered another and he was utter flop

 

Aise thode import krle dusre desh se....option nhin hai

This is poor from selectors to not play any other pace all-rounder in place of Hardik Pandya. Vijay Shankar should have been tried. If they do not want to pick Vijay Shankar, which they have showed even in conditions more favorable for him, then at least they should not do blunder of selecting a spin all rounder for Australian conditions. Krunal Pandya should be played in Asian conditions only. In these conditions at most he is going to perform well in 3 out of 10 matches.  

 

There is no player development plan it seems. In pace all roudner the search starts with Hardik Pandya and ends with Hardik Pandya.  In a country where there are hundreds of List A cricketers and FC cricketers, we do not even have 5 backup all rounders even for as short forms as T20i or 50 overs.  Disgusting.

[Straight Drive]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Those 55 runs are not stats?

As much as i agree Krunal Pandya should not be played in Australia (there is one thread regarding the usability of Krunal Pandya outside Asia), isn't it too optimistic to expect a bowler like him to succeed in these conditions. More of pathetic selection strategy than payers fault.  Not saying Krunal Pandya should give 55 runs because conditions will not favor his bowling, but selectors have to do their job well.  

[philcric]

Yet another pig-headed thread.

 

[Zero_Unit]

just cause we got no allrounders that doesn't mean that they don't exists. Jadeja, Ashwin and Panday are not proper allrounders for the blind fools out there. Panday has a good shot at it but he needs to grab his balls and pull up his socks, stop taking too much selfies and concentrate on training. Jadeja is a lost cause. Came to play international cricket with only his fielding. After a decade, only bowling got rectified, still bats like a number 11.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

Those 55 runs are not stats?

Just one stat cnt be basis of declaring someone a failure

are those 64 run given by a specialist a slap on ur theory that anyone can have a bad day

even jadeja who was a much better bowler was hit for 5 sixes in an over in t20

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

This is poor from selectors to not play any other pace all-rounder in place of Hardik Pandya. Vijay Shankar should have been tried. If they do not want to pick Vijay Shankar, which they have showed even in conditions more favorable for him, then at least they should not do blunder of selecting a spin all rounder for Australian conditions. Krunal Pandya should be played in Asian conditions only. In these conditions at most he is going to perform well in 3 out of 10 matches.  

Problem is shankar cnt bat at 7

We are not looking at one side that both pandya are lower order specialist batsman to 

2 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

 

There is no player development plan it seems. In pace all roudner the search starts with Hardik Pandya and ends with Hardik Pandya.  In a country where there are hundreds of List A cricketers and FC cricketers, we do not even have 5 backup all rounders even for as short forms as T20i or 50 overs.  Disgusting.

but are they good??

here are the options

 

Shankar- cnt bat at 7 in t20

binny- ho gaya bht

rishi dhawan 

Shivam dube- young....will have to go through this yr domestic n IPL 1st

 

cnt think of any more, even if their are they ll hve to go through domestic n ipl this yr 1st to be noticed

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Problem is shankar cnt bat at 7

We are not looking at one side that both pandya are lower order specialist batsman to 

but are they good??

here are the options

 

Shankar- cnt bat at 7 in t20

binny- ho gaya bht

rishi dhawan 

Shivam dube- young....will have to go through this yr domestic n IPL 1st

 

cnt think of any more, even if their are they ll hve to go through domestic n ipl this yr 1st to be noticed

If they are not good then someone who is supposed to develop cricketers needs to be held accountable. Sack that person/s. One can't say so many all rounders are bad and just sweep the development issue under the carpet.  If development plan is not being executed then this issue wik never be sorted.  Either they do not have a plan regarding this or they are utter failures to do their job well.