Is Mitchell Starc overrated in tests?

[Trichromatic]

They keep mentioning him as one of the best fast bowler in world atm. 

 

191 wickets at avg of 28.3 and he has been playing since 2011.

 

in Australia	2011-2018	22	42	843.0	166	2840	101	6/154	8/137	28.11	3.36	50.0	3	0
in England	2013-2015	8	15	262.2	47	906	29	6/111	7/174	31.24	3.45	54.2	2	0
in India	2013-2017	4	7	100.3	19	351	7	2/38	3/113	50.14	3.49	86.1	0	0
in South Africa	2018-2018	3	6	109.2	18	413	12	5/34	9/109	34.41	3.77	54.6	1	0
in Sri Lanka	2016-2016	3	6	103.2	28	364	24	6/50	11/94	15.16	3.52	25.8	3	1
in U.A.E.	2014-2018	3	6	100.0	20	319	6	2/37	3/69	53.16	3.19	100.0	0	0
in West Indies	2012-2015	3	6	81.2	25	215	12	4/28	6/76	17.91	2.64	40.6	0	0

 

 

Avg of 31 in Eng, 34 in SA, 53 in UAE, 50 in India and 28 in Aus. Only place where he has done exceptionally well is SL in one series.

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
K Rabada (SA)	2015-2018	32	59	989.3	210	3279	151	7/112	13/144	21.71	3.31	39.3	9	4
DW Steyn (SA)	2011-2018	40	72	1299.2	322	3767	172	6/8	11/60	21.90	2.89	45.3	10	1
VD Philander (SA)	2011-2018	53	99	1598.4	423	4221	191	6/21	10/102	22.09	2.64	50.2	11	2
MG Johnson (AUS)	2012-2015	26	51	888.1	193	2945	123	7/40	12/127	23.94	3.31	43.3	5	1
JM Anderson (ENG)	2012-2018	82	155	3033.3	825	7907	325	7/42	10/45	24.32	2.60	56.0	15	2
M Morkel (SA)	2011-2018	53	99	1671.3	405	4939	188	6/23	9/110	26.27	2.95	53.3	4	0
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2014-2018	41	77	1486.4	372	4149	155	6/67	9/136	26.76	2.79	57.5	6	0
KAJ Roach (WI)	2012-2018	36	64	1045.3	223	3347	123	5/8	10/146	27.21	3.20	51.0	6	1
SCJ Broad (ENG)	2012-2018	83	153	2837.4	680	8350	301	8/15	11/121	27.74	2.94	56.5	12	2
TA Boult (NZ)	2011-2018	57	107	2101.5	472	6249	222	6/32	10/80	28.14	2.97	56.8	6	1
MA Starc (AUS)	2011-2018	46	88	1599.5	323	5408	191	6/50	11/94	28.31	3.38	50.2	9	1
N Wagner (NZ)	2012-2018	38	71	1383.3	290	4331	152	7/39	9/141	28.49	3.13	54.6	5	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2011-2018	48	91	1826.1	417	5390	189	7/64	10/108	28.51	2.95	57.9	6	1
PM Siddle (AUS)	2011-2018	39	76	1353.1	380	3810	132	5/49	9/104	28.86	2.81	61.5	4	0
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	2013-2018	37	71	1149.2	200	3908	132	5/28	9/118	29.60	3.40	52.2	3	0
ST Gabriel (WI)	2012-2018	40	68	1043.3	182	3568	120	8/62	13/121	29.73	3.41	52.1	5	1
BA Stokes (ENG)	2013-2018	49	85	1135.0	206	3826	117	6/22	8/161	32.70	3.37	58.2	4	0
I Sharma (INDIA)	2011-2018	47	85	1444.0	297	4373	130	7/74	9/162	33.63	3.02	66.6	5	0
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2011-2018	38	74	1022.2	176	3653	108	6/88	10/133	33.82	3.57	56.7	2	1
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2012-2018	42	78	1286.1	253	3952	103	5/63	7/119	38.36	3.07	74.9	1	0

 

His numbers are comparable to Wagner, Southee, Boult, Siddle and Shami.

 

 

[mancalledsting]

absolutely agree- I was never impressed by Starc in tests. Wasn't sure how the whole world rated him so highly- I even started to doubt my own judgement as I could never see what was special about him. Now that he's lost his ball tampering buddies- expect his performance to decline even further. He's a good ODI bowler though- that is obvious. 

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, mancalledsting said:

absolutely agree- I was never impressed by Starc in tests. Wasn't sure how the whole world rated him so highly- I even started to doubt my own judgement as I could never see what was special about him. Now that he's lost his ball tampering buddies- expect his performance to decline even further. He's a good ODI bowler though- that is obvious. 

He picked wickets of lower order and late in innings with reverse. Most of the hard yard is done by Cummins and Hazlewood these days.

 

Yet in other threads you will see people mentioning his name first before any other bowler - Starc will eat him alive, Starc this and Starc that. It seems he gets extra attention only because of pace and ODI exploits while he continues to bowl mediocre spells consistently.

[rkt.india]

Most left armers are overrated in tests. They depend too much in inswing to right handers and when they don't get that they struggle.

[rtmohanlal]

he definitely is... i thing there are 2 reasons for over hyping him .First is he came immediately once after the great Mcgrath retired.And Mcgrath was one of the  prominent factors in making that AUSSIE team the GOAT team 'along with WI of 80s'. And soon Starc  with almost  the same 'built' emerged and a lot of people assumed that he would be as great as Mcgrath by default because of the earlier said factors. And he immediately  proved to be a huge success in ODIs and it continues to be so.  Thus this hype was formed that he would be a great test bowler as well. 

[Global.Baba]

He is a good support bowler at best. More like a Wagner type enforcer. I know it is blasphemy to

compare him with Ishant but in his own way a good third wheel than a spearhead. That’s a fact.

 

 Aussies have 2 of those in Cummins and Starc. Starc is marginally better at this stage.

[mishra]

Anyone averaging unders 30 is anyday a geniius bowler.

Him Cummins Hazzlewood are best pace attack in world

Edited December 9, 2018 by mishra

[Rightarmfast]

Lolz.. I know of resident self proclaimed fast bowling experts as hailing Starc as one of the best!

[mishra]

9 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

He picked wickets of lower order and late in innings with reverse. Most of the hard yard is done by Cummins and Hazlewood these days.

 

Yet in other threads you will see people mentioning his name first before any other bowler - Starc will eat him alive, Starc this and Starc that. It seems he gets extra attention only because of pace and ODI exploits while he continues to bowl mediocre spells consistently.

Dont get me wrong but the way i see it, if batsmen really want to be cautious and carefull, they may employ there defences and see off best    Bowler, but then end up loosing to second best.

However best pacers simply clean sweep the tail in no time as despite their best efgort to see off, they cant hold onto their defences.

 

Hence for pace bowler, to be really effective, it requires more than one to be in team so that they can attack in tandem

 

Edited December 9, 2018 by mishra

[daryl1985]