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Optimizing Brickies and Slayers in the WC

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Have seen a lot of discussions about Ind having nailed things down for the WC. While it is a good idea to shortlist a pool of players for the WC, it is also important to keep an open mind and device strategy / tactics based on your strengths and conditions during the tournament. 

 

Ind's problem could stem from keeping a rigid stance where the top 3 of Rohit-Dhawan-Kohli have been identified as key strength, along with Dhoni. Other pieces have to fit around these 4. For e.g. #4-5 could be chosen / accommodated based on his ability to stabilize the innings if the top 3 fail rather than the ability to win the game on his own. In certain scenarios, these strengths could turn into a relative weakness. Say for example, the par scores in the WC range from 325-350. In this scenario, it may be beneficial to maximize our return in the PPs, but 

 

a) We would have Rohit-Dhawan, who could focus on building a foundation, which is an exercise to keep Ind in the game vs. taking the game away

b) Followed by Kohli who too is focused on playing a long inning 

c) And Dhoni, who seeks to take the game deep, slotted in the top 6 

 

As we saw in the last T20 vs NZ, if you focus too much on laying a foundation on good batting surface, the strength is not the person laying the foundation but the big hitters, who turn the game by playing at an extraordinary high SR. If we pursue this strategy over a set of matches, inevitably we are relying on luck as the big hitters, who are the strength in this situation, cannot always come in and get going after playing a few balls. At times, we are going to have collapses

 

In the above scenario, the top 3, along with Dhoni, are taking almost no risks. While the other 2-3 batsmen in the top 7 are taking all the risks. On the other hand, if the pitch is bowling friendly, our openers are not known to make the desired impact (i.e. lay foundation) 

 

To spread the risk and optimize the 50 overs, we may need to look at different approaches. I have represented my school/city/district in some team sports. In hockey, for e.g. there is a concept of creating triangles, where we have 3 players who play well as a group. If we adapt this concept to batting positions, may be have 1-2 big hitters in 3 consecutive slots depending up on the stage of the game. To illustrate 

 

1) Brickie 

2) Slayer / Brickie

3) Brickie / Slayer 

and so on 

 

Therefore, if we are opening with Rohit-Dhawan, we have someone like Pant at 3. On the other hand, if Kohli, a brickie, is slotted at 3, we may need to open with a slayer 

 

Per the above, the concept of having to play someone like Rayudu for e.g. goes out of window. And the combinations below emerge: 

 

1. Dhawan (brickie)

2. Pant / Shaw / Agarwal (slayer)

3. Kohli (brickie)

4 / 5. Pandya / Rohit (slayer / brickie per situation)

6. Jadhav (slayer)

7. Dhoni 

 

or 

 

1. Dhawan (brickie)

2. Rohit (brickie)

3. Pant / Shaw / Agarwal (slayer)

4. Kohli (brickie)

5. Pandya (slayer)

6. Jadhav (slayer)

7. Dhoni

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

Have seen a lot of discussions about Ind having nailed things down for the WC. While it is a good idea to shortlist a pool of players for the WC, it is also important to keep an open mind and device strategy / tactics based on your strengths and conditions during the tournament. 

 

Ind's problem could stem from keeping a rigid stance where the top 3 of Rohit-Dhawan-Kohli have been identified as key strength, along with Dhoni. Other pieces have to fit around these 4. For e.g. #4-5 could be chosen / accommodated based on his ability to stabilize the innings if the top 3 fail rather than the ability to win the game on his own. In certain scenarios, these strengths could turn into a relative weakness. Say for example, the par scores in the WC range from 325-350. In this scenario, it may be beneficial to maximize our return in the PPs, but 

 

a) We would have Rohit-Dhawan, who could focus on building a foundation, which is an exercise to keep Ind in the game vs. taking the game away

b) Followed by Kohli who too is focused on playing a long inning 

c) And Dhoni, who seeks to take the game deep, slotted in the top 6 

 

As we saw in the last T20 vs NZ, if you focus too much on laying a foundation on good batting surface, the strength is not the person laying the foundation but the big hitters, who turn the game by playing at an extraordinary high SR. If we pursue this strategy over a period of matches, inevitable we are relying on luck as the big hitters, who are the strength in this situation, cannot always come in and get going after playing a few balls. At times, we are going to have collapses

 

In the above scenario, the top 3, along with Dhoni, are taking almost no risks. While the other 2-3 batsmen in the top 7 are taking all the risks. On the other hand, if the pitch is bowling friendly, our openers are not known to make the desired impact (i.e. lay foundation) 

 

To spread the risk and optimize the 50 overs, we may have need to look at different approaches. I have represented my school/city/district in some team sports. In hockey, for e.g. there is a concept of creating triangles, where we have 3 players who play well as a group. If we adapt this concept to batting positions, may be have 1-2 big hitters in 3 consecutive slots depending up on the stage of the game. To illustrate 

 

1) Brickie 

2) Slayer / Bricklie

3) Brickie / Slayer 

and so on 

 

Therefore, if we are opening with Rohit-Dhawan, we have someone like Pant at 3. On the other hand, if Kohli, a brickie, is slotted at 3, we may need to open with a slasher 

 

Per the above, the concept of playing someone like Rayudu for e.g. goes out of window. And the combinations below emerge: 

 

1. Dhawan (brickie)

2. Pant (slayer)

3. Kohli (brickie)

4 / 5. Pandya / Rohit (slayer / brickie per situation)

6. Jadhav (slayer)

7. Dhoni 

 

or 

 

1. Dhawan (brickie)

2. Rohit (brickie)

3. Pant (Slayer)

4. Kohli (brickie)

5. Pandya (Slayer)

6. Jadhav (Slayer)

7. Dhoni

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rohit is not a brickie, he is the world’s most powerful bulldozer, you know the ones that take

down these big casino hotels when they rebuild them

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7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Rohit is not a brickie, he is the world’s most powerful bulldozer, you know the ones that take

down these big casino hotels when they rebuild them

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It is similar to playing 3 Amlas in top 3 :lol:

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If the par scores are 300+, I would not mind starting with a line up like the one below:

 

Dhawan / Rohit / Agarwal 

Agarwal / Shaw (for relatively quick starts and also probably better bets vs swing too) 

Kohli 

Rohit  / Agarwal (if Rohit is opening) / Pant 

Pandya

Jadhav

Dhoni 

Kuldeep 

Bhuvi / Chahal 

Shami

Bumrah 

 

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1 hour ago, flamy said:

I like how on ICF imaginary potentials replace actual people playing. First, it was Gill, and once he played couple of matches, disappears from all the wishlists. And, now Shaw and Agarwal are the golden boys. :hysterical:

 

When Rohit and Dhawan were being seen as potential, ppl considered them to be imaginary too . :lol: 

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The batting order should be modified as per the scorecard situation. Who would be the floaters. 

 

(1) Jadhav - who is likely to be promoted ahead of if it's a great scoreboard after 2 wickets and 20 overs are yet to be bowled.

 

(2) Pandya - who is likely to be promoted if it's a great scoreboard after 2 wickets and 15 overs are yet to be bowled.

 

This is a khayali pukao though. We might see the same biryani being served at scheduled time 

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29 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

This is a khayali pukao though. We might see the same biryani being served at scheduled time 

Ind is not known to be flexible / street smart .... It is probably like someone wearing the black suit everyday to work :lol:

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