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ICF all-time Indian Test 11 - Two teams (Spin friendly conditions and pace/swing friendly)

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Will consolidate the results and prepare ICF all-time Test 11 team at the end. No restrictions  / criteria for picking the 11 Indian test players. Not adding polls. Will manually calculate and post results.

 

Request to designate the captain, vc and wkt.

 

Edit: As it is noticed that there are some members who prefer team to be condition based, I quite like this idea. Members can post two teams - Name it as (1) Spin friendly conditions and (2) Pace friendly conditions 

 

Teams will be accepted till 11th march, 2019. Results likely to be posted on 12th March, 2019.

 

In case of modifications of teams by same member, the last mentioned team by the member will be considered.

 

Mods: I tried searchng for similar thread and couldn't find any on this topic.. which is surprising as i feel there must be atleast couple of these.  Might as well merge in case a similar thread exists.

 

 

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Sunny G (vc)

Veeru

Dravid (captain)

Sachin

Kohli

VVS Laxman

Dhoni (wk)

Kapil Dev

Kumble

Zaheer

Srinath

 

For spin friendly conditions

 

Veeru

Pujara

Dravid (captain)

Sachin

Kohli (vc)

Laxman

Dhoni

Ashwin

Kumble

Zaheer

Srinath

 

 

Edited by SK_IH

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1 minute ago, SK_IH said:

Sunny G

Matt Hayden

Bradman

Sachin

Steve Waugh

Garry Sobers

Gilly

Malcolm Marshall

Shane Warne

Ambrose

Mcgrath

 

:--D

Edited the title to Indian Test 11 now from all-time 11, although i had just mentioned it in criteria which you may have overlooked.

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Will omit Sachin and Dhoni as there is a lot of thsesis done here on why they are useless.

 

Will also omit Gavaskar as Mumbai Lobby ruined cricket

 

Will omit Kapil Dev we we see his stats posted here to prove he is worse than Hardik Pandya and Yuvraj Singh.

 

will exclude other commonly hated players like Rahane and Pujara as well

 

So here is the best dream ICF X1 based on players we love here unanimously

 

Sehwag

KL Rahul

<u-19 batsman>

Lala Amarnath

Budhi Kunderan

Hardik Pandya

Krunal Pandya

Rishabh Pant

Umesh Yadav

Varun Aron

<u-19 phaast bowler>

 

 

 

 

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Ind 

 

Gavaskar (c)

Sehwag

Dravid / Pujara 

Kohli 

Sachin

V Mankad

Kapil (vc) 

Engineer / Dhoni / Pant (future)  (wk) 

Srinath  / Shami / Zak / Parsanna (per conditions)  

Chandra 

Bumrah 

 

World

 

Gavaskar

Richards (avgs 60+ as a top order batsman) 

Bradman (c) 

Lara

Sachin

Sobers (vc) 

Gilchrist (wk) 

Hadlee

Warne

Marshall

Ambrose 

12th Murali (If another spinner is required) 

 

 

Edited by zen

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3 minutes ago, zen said:

Ind 

 

Gavaskar (c)

Sehwag

Dravid / Pujara 

Kohli 

Sachin

Mankad

Kapil (vc) 

Engineer / Dhoni / Pant (future)  (wk) 

Srinath  / Shami / Zak / Parsanna (per conditions)  

Chadra

Bumrah 

 

World

 

Gavaskar

Richards (avgs 60+ as a top order batsman) 

Bradman (c) 

Lara

Sachin  

Sobers (vc) 

Gilchrist (wk) 

Hadlee

Warne

Marshall

Ambrose 

12th Murali (will play in spin friendly conditions) 

 

 

Will count Engineer and Srinath as they are mentioned first . Have you picked Ahshok mankad or Vinoo Mankad ?

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2 minutes ago, sehwag123 said:

Mohinder . Was excellent overseas and 5th bowler

Mohinder Amarnath and Madan Lal who both bowled medium pace did bowl together as a pair in some matches. As a pair i think they gave their best pereformance at Christchurch (1976 tour) . Madan Lal was a regular bowler though who bowled more than Mohinder.

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1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

Sunny G (vc)

Veeru

Dravid (captain)

Sachin

Kohli

VVS Laxman

Dhoni (wk)

Kapil Dev

Kumble

Zaheer

Srinath

 

 

Edited :bow:

Hard to disagree with any of these selections on lively tracks.

 

One of the spin legends to replace either Zaheer or Srinath for spin friendly conditions.

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This is just a random 11 by me. I have not checked stats, will study and post later. Heres a warm up India XI from me -

 

Sunny

Gautam Gambhir/ Sehwag

Dravid

Sachin

Kohli

Dhoni

Kapil

Kuldeep Yadav ( I know he is young in test, but the way he has performed overseas, in my book, he is ahead )

Zaheer

Bumrah

Srinath/ Kumble ( Depending upon condition )

 

Why did I not chose another batsman like others have done? I believe with the likes of Sunny, sachin, dravid and kohli, with kapil and dhoni, we DO NOT need any more batsmen. If these batsmen cant handle the bowlers, one more batsman can do jacks*it!

 

Whereas, we have 4 genuine bowlers, with Kapil as a medium pacer, along with Sachin who can twist his arm around too with leg cutters.

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I am considering minimum sample size of 40 tests...otherwise it may open a pandora's box. Also only players that have retired, impossible to tell how some of the current players may end their careers.

 

1) Spin conditions

Gavaskar

Sehwag

Dravid 

SRT

Laxman

Kapil

Dhoni(c and wk)

Kumble (vc)

Srinath

Bedi

Chandra

 

2) Pace and Swing

Gavaskar (vc)

Amarnath

Dravid (c)

SRT

Vishy

VVS

Kapil

Engineer (wk)

Zaheer

Srinath

Prasanna

 

In 10 years time I see quite a few changes, but right now I will go with these XIs OP. 

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Retired players only to reduce options 

 

Spin conditions 

 

Gavaskar (c)

Sehwag

Dravid 

Sachin 

VVS

V Mankad

Kapil (vc)

Dhoni

Srinath 

Prasanna

Chandra 

 

  • 3 spinners - Chandra (freak), Prasanna (legendary off spinner), and Mankad (probably Ind's best AR)
  • Kapil and Srinath as opening bowlers. Srinath used to get top order wkts too to make it easier for the spinners  

 

Pace and swing conditions 

 

Gavaskar (c)

Sehwag

Dravid 

Sachin

M Amarnath 

V Mankad (at times was like one man show in tests in Eng iirc. opened in tests too) 

Engineer (opened in tests too and played county cricket in Eng iirc) 

Kapil (vc)

Srinath

Zak

Chandra (won us a test in Eng, etc. iirc) 

 

  • 3 pacers - Kapil (AR), Srinath and Zak. Other options include Amar Singh and Md Nissar  
  • 2 spinners - Chandra and Mankad (AR) 
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On Pacer friendly pitches

 

Gavaskar

Merchant

Dravid (c)

SRT

Vishy

Amarnath

Engineer

Kapil 

Srinath

Zaheer

Chandra

 

On Spin friendly pitches

 

Gavaskar

Sehwag

Laxman

SRT

Hazare

Mankad

Kapil

Dhoni (c)

Kumble

Prasanna

Chandra

 

Not picking Kohli, Pujara and Bumrah et all for now.

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

On Pacer friendly pitches

 

Gavaskar

Merchant

Dravid (c)

SRT

Vishy

Amarnath

Engineer

Kapil 

Srinath

Zaheer

Chandra

 

On Spin friendly pitches

 

Gavaskar

Sehwag

Laxman

SRT

Hazare

Mankad

Kapil

Dhoni (c)

Kumble

Prasanna

Chandra

 

Not picking Kohli, Pujara and Bumrah et all for now.

Lala or Mohinder Amaranth.

Ashok or Vinoo Mankad.

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@Straight Drive here you go I will take a different approach based on conditions. Horses for courses.Will explain if anyone has questions on my choice.

 

XI overseas in Australia

1.Gavaskar

2.Sehwag 

3.Dravid (keeper)

4.SRT

5.Kohli

6.Laxman 

7.Kapil

8.Kumble

9.Srinath

10.Shami/ Bedi (based on the pitch)

11.Bumrah

 

X1 in South Africa

1.Gavaskar

2.J.Amarnath

3.Pujara

4.SRT

5.Kohli

6.Kapil

7. Dhoni(keeper)

8.Kumble

9.Srinath

10.Bumrah

11.Shami

 

X1 in England

1.Gavaskar

2. Dravid

3.Vengsarker

4.SRT

5.Ganguly

6.Kapil

7.Dhoni

8.B.Kumar

9.Z.Khan

10.Bedi/Prasanna

11.J.Bumrah

 

X1 in Newzealand

1.Gavaskar

2.Sehwag

3.Dravid

4.SRT

5.Kohli

6.Kapil

7.Dhoni

8.M.Prabhakar

9.Z.Khan

10.J.Bumrah

11.B.Chandrasekhar ( mystery spinner. Would have picked Kuldeep Yadav but too early for him)

 

XI In present day SC and present day WI or else it would be blasphemy to drop Gavaskar or Amarnath 

 

1.Sehwag

2.Dravid

3.Pujara

4.Kohli

5.SRT

6.Kapil/VVS Laxman

7.Dhoni

8.Ashwin

9.Kumble

10.H.Singh/J.Srinath

11.Z.Khan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, maniac said:

@Straight Drive here you go I will take a different approach based on conditions. Horses for courses.Will explain if anyone has questions on my choice.

 

XI overseas in Australia

1.Gavaskar

2.Sehwag 

3.Dravid (keeper)

4.SRT

5.Kohli

6.Laxman 

7.Kapil

8.Kumble

9.Srinath

10.Shami/ Bedi (based on the pitch)

11.Bumrah

 

X1 in South Africa

1.Gavaskar

2.J.Amarnath

3.Pujara

4.SRT

5.Kohli

6.Kapil

7. Dhoni(keeper)

8.Kumble

9.Srinath

10.Bumrah

11.Shami

 

X1 in England

1.Gavaskar

2. Dravid

3.Vengsarker

4.SRT

5.Ganguly

6.Kapil

7.Dhoni

8.B.Kumar

9.Z.Khan

10.Bedi/Prasanna

11.J.Bumrah

 

X1 in Newzealand

1.Gavaskar

2.Sehwag

3.Dravid

4.SRT

5.Kohli

6.Kapil

7.Dhoni

8.M.Prabhakar

9.Z.Khan

10.J.Bumrah

11.B.Chandrasekhar ( mystery spinner. Would have picked Kuldeep Yadav but too early for him)

 

XI In present day SC and present day WI or else it would be blasphemy to drop Gavaskar or Amarnath 

 

1.Sehwag

2.Dravid

3.Pujara

4.Kohli

5.SRT

6.Kapil

7.Dhoni

8.Ashwin

9.Kumble

10.H.Singh

11.Z.Khan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please name  two teams which you would want to be considered for spin and pace category.

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Just now, Straight Drive said:

Please name  two teams which you would want to be considered for spin and pace category.

It’s very black and white and little challenging. I will come up with something however against pace on a true bounce pitch in Australia Sehwag and Laxman get in but with bounce and lateral movement in SA their roles might be a little doubtful. I put J.Amarnath in Sa because the Sa pace battery is the closest to WI these days with their short pitch bowling. Aus too but they play on more docile pitches.

 

Swing conditions make it a different beast. I would pick Kohli in every condition but still given the greats we have had, Kohli is still a doubtful starter in England. Even though he made amends in the last tour. Still not totally convinced to put him in an ATG X1 in English conditions. 

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