Sidhoni Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: achievements as a captain do not make one a great cricketer. What one has done with the bat and ball does. I think all of it contributes to the greatness. Primary skills with bat/ball do count for more but cannot ignore leadership skills. sscomp32 1 Link to comment
Gambit Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Some serious delusion in this thread. Dhoni is easily amongst top 4 Indian ODI cricketers of all time (Kapil, Sachin and Virat being others) and a strong contender for a slot in the top 10 in an all time Indian cricketers list if both Tests and ODIs are included. Sidhoni, Rasgulla, Lord and 5 others 8 Link to comment
Gambit Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 However, Dhoni and Tendulkar fans (Kohli fans will soon be added to this in a few months/years) as a whole will rank pretty low in any ranking of fan base quality. BCCI and New guy 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, Gambit said: Some serious delusion in this thread. Dhoni is easily amongst top 4 Indian ODI cricketers of all time (Kapil, Sachin and Virat being others) and a strong contender for a slot in the top 10 in an all time Indian cricketers list if both Tests and ODIs are included. yes, Dhoni certainly is one of the top ODI cricketer, but here people are talking about overall top Indian cricketers, ODIs and Tests combined. He will be there in top 10 but not in top 5. King Tendulkar 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 42 minutes ago, Sidhoni said: I think all of it contributes to the greatness. Primary skills with bat/ball do count for more but cannot ignore leadership skills. i dont think that is the case because you cna only have one captain in the team. Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Also, earlier captains never got chances to captain in World T20s. ( which were played at 2 year intervals later on and so a lot of chances to win were missed by those earlier captains ) Kapil won a 50 over World Cup, never had the chance to be a captain in either World T20 or CT. Ganguly won a Champion's Trophy and got us to the finals of a 50 over World Cup. ( any Indian team would probably have lost to that Australian Team of 2003 in a ODI played in SA ). Never never had the chance to be a captain in World T20. We didn't win a CT, we shared it because it was rained off.Claiming it as win is lame stuff. Ganguly didn't win any ICC tournaments.Considering our record in finals under Ganguly we were pretty certain to choke it as well. Oh Ganguly captained us in 2 other CTs and Aussies didn't win any of them. As for the excuse for thr final in 2003 ,Maybe then he should have batted first of being ultra defensive and bowling first . Heck leave alone world cups and Champions trophies , we chocked in almost every final we played under him.And considering we were a pretty good team under Azhar in finals all he did was turn us into a team of chockers. Link to comment
New guy Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, Sidhoni said: 3 ICC trophies KT. Without him you got just the one. Test number one for the first time. This is just as captain. Not disagreeing but adding 1) As for WT20, no other Indian captain except Dhoni got a chance to try for it. There was no T20 WC under other captains 2) As for world cup, Dhoni got a golden chance of world cup at home. We should have won the 96 world cup at home too if Azhar had not fixed and choose to bat second on a minefield despite everyone asking him not to. Other Indian captains did not get a chance for a world cup at home Edited March 3, 2017 by New guy King Tendulkar and express bowling 2 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 36 minutes ago, Gambit said: Some serious delusion in this thread. Dhoni is easily amongst top 4 Indian ODI cricketers of all time (Kapil, Sachin and Virat being others) and a strong contender for a slot in the top 10 in an all time Indian cricketers list if both Tests and ODIs are included. Yes top 5 odi player but the delusions are putting him in top 5 Indian player not just odi . Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: We didn't win a CT, we shared it because it was rained off.Claiming it as win is lame stuff. Ganguly didn't win any ICC tournaments.Considering our record in finals under Ganguly we were pretty certain to choke it as well. Oh Ganguly captained us in 2 other CTs and Aussies didn't win any of them. As for the excuse for thr final in 2003 ,Maybe then he should have batted first of being ultra defensive and bowling first . Heck leave alone world cups and Champions trophies , we chocked in almost every final we played under him.And considering we were a pretty good team under Azhar in finals all he did was turn us into a team of chockers. Rained out final means joint winners. No one wins all ICC trophies. Joint winner in one CT and Runner up in the only World Cup is not that bad for a captain who has been captain in 4 ICC tournaments including only 1 World Cup. It is strange that you use the word " excuse " as I am talking about your country's performance only. Sort of validates the point of this thread. Edited March 3, 2017 by express bowling King Tendulkar, Bigg Brother and Laaloo 3 Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, New guy said: Not disagreeing but adding 1) As for WT20, no other Indian captain except Dhoni got a chance to try for it. There was no T20 WC under other captains 2) As for world cup, Dhoni got a golden chance of world cup at home. We should have won the 96 world cup at home too if Azhar had not fixed and choose to bat second on a minefield despite everyone asking him not to. Other Indian captains did not get a chance for a world cup at home Fair point about the WT20 though the fact he was chosen as captain tells us there was something in him which wasn't there in Sehwag, Yuvi etc. Of course Sachin had a role to play in that. No other team had won a WC playing at home till then so how exactly was that a golden chance? If anything the pressure on that team was much much greater than any other of our WC teams because of the fact we were playing at home. Rasgulla and sscomp32 2 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It's touch and go wether dhoni makes top 10 best Indian players ever . I list players clearly above him (not in rank) mankad hazare merchant sunny dev bedi kohli laxman tendulakr dravid kumble zak Sehwag bhaji prassana gupte not that easy for dhoni to make top 10 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It's touch and go wether dhoni makes top 10 best Indian players ever . I list players who could be above him (not in ranking order ) Must have missed some worthy contenders out mankad hazare merchant sunny dev bedi kohli laxman tendulakr dravid kumble zak Sehwag bhaji prassana gupte not that easy for dhoni to make top 10 Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sidhoni said: Fair point about the WT20 though the fact he was chosen as captain tells us there was something in him which wasn't there in Sehwag, Yuvi etc. Of course Sachin had a role to play in that. Dhoni has been our best LOI captain till date. No doubt about it. But, some other posters ( not you ) are trying to put down other past captains to arrive at this and that is unnecessary. Our team as well as attitude have evolved over the decades and contributions of captains like Pataudi, Kapil and Ganguly have been immense. Edited March 3, 2017 by express bowling Laaloo, Bigg Brother, King Tendulkar and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, express bowling said: Dhoni has been our best LOI captain till date. No doubt about it. But, some other posters ( not you ) are trying to put down other past captains to arrive at this and that is unnecessary. Our team as well as attitude have evolved over the decades and contributions of captains like Pataudi, Kapil and Ganguly have been immense. Agreed. express bowling 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: It's touch and go wether dhoni makes top 10 best Indian players ever . I list players clearly above him (not in rank) mankad hazare merchant sunny dev bedi kohli laxman tendulakr dravid kumble zak Sehwag bhaji prassana gupte not that easy for dhoni to make top 10 Mankad, Hazare, Gupte, Prasanna not really Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Mankad, Hazare, Gupte, Prasanna not really Mankad is atg . Our second best all rounder . Love this guy hazare was quality bat . Did excellent in away tours in oz . Run machine Other 2 yeah, just threw them in for hell of it lol on side note we Indians are very poor with our history . Our legends from early 20th century forgotten . Meanwhile other countries rejoice in there wg graces and Bradmans Edited March 3, 2017 by King Tendulkar Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: Mankad is atg . Our second best all rounder . Love this guy hazare was quality bat . Did excellent in away tours in oz . Run machine Other 2 yeah, just threw them in for hell of it lol on side note we Indians are very poor with our history . Our legends from early 20th century forgotten . Meanwhile other countries rejoice in there wg graces and Bradmans 2nd best alrounder doesn't matter, averaged 31 with the bat, 35 with the ball, not good enough to be in top 10 Indian players. Same with Haazare, barely played 30 tests. Edited March 3, 2017 by rkt.india Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 By the way Dhoni is not done yet. Who knows he may add another CT and WC :-) sscomp32 1 Link to comment
BCCI Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 33 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: It's touch and go wether dhoni makes top 10 best Indian players ever . I list players who could be above him (not in ranking order ) Must have missed some worthy contenders out mankad hazare merchant sunny dev bedi kohli laxman tendulakr dravid kumble zak Sehwag bhaji prassana gupte not that easy for dhoni to make top 10 You are funny otherwise as well but Harbhajan,Zak .After 2 years I think even Ishant will make your list. sscomp32 1 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: 2nd best alrounder doesn't matter, averaged 31 with the bat, 35 with the ball, not good enough to be in top 10 Indian players. Same with Haazare, barely played 30 tests. Mankad was quality . Hazare played 30 tests . Not his fault that lol played as many fixtures india had . Certainly atg Indian great and waaaay superior to dhoni . Dhoni could only dream of playing some knocks he did overseas Link to comment
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