rahulrulezz Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sajid_Rana said: Where was radical Islam hiding during last 1400 years? Did somebody woke them up since the so called war on terror? just saying It was always there for last 1400 years. Iran was 100% non Muslim just 1200 years back but Islam terrorized and killed thousands and thousands of Zoarashtrians and now India has more Zorashtrians(Parsis) than Iran. Cuz some Zorashtrians saved their lives from the terror of Islamic terrorists and sheltered in India among Hindus, Buddhists and Jains Afganistan had only Buddhists, Jains and Hindus just 1100 years back, but look now.. From 0 percent to 100 percent through brutal terrorism You Sajid Rana, as your last name 'Rana' suggests, your great great great grand ancestor was raped and terrorized by invaders and your whole generation was an after result of that. Luckily unlike Iran, Iraq, Africa and Middle East, Indians stood (sorry Sajid Rana, not your ancestors) against the terror of Islamic inavaders terrorists and invaders were not able to covert Indians through terror. However, the terror of Abdali, Ghouri, Babur, Aurangzeb is well still written in stories and their biographies. In their own biographies, all of them boast about creating walls of beheaded non Muslims priests and gurus and proudly confess complete destruction of Indians universities like Takshila, countless destruction of temples, scriptures of Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, massacre of Sikh gurus, Hindu Saints etc etc. All of them said they were doing the work for Islam. Does this remind you of ISIS Countless incidents of Islamic terrorism. Edited March 25, 2017 by rahulrulezz gattaca, rageaddict, randomGuy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Sajid_Rana said: Where was radical Islam hiding during last 1400 years? Did somebody woke them up since the so called war on terror? just saying It was only hiding between late 1800s- when the last of the islamic powers - Ottomans and Persia- were crushed under the boots of the Russians, till now. prior to that, radical jihadi Islam, has a long and distinguished history of rape, genocide, land-grab and even stealing babies to turn them into slaves, for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Texan said: Some of the biggest masterminds among these jihadis are in fact very well educated and well off. So, education is not the cure. Some not all. I am not a 100% sure about the possible solution which I wrote. But it has a realistic chance of working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 5 hours ago, randomGuy said: Some not all. I am not a 100% sure about the possible solution which I wrote. But it has a realistic chance of working. Also, if the masses are educated and can find jobs to make a good living and don't need jihad to define the purpose of their lives, maybe they won't blindly follow the masterminds and become pawns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, Brainfade said: Also, if the masses are educated and can find jobs to make a good living and don't need jihad to define the purpose of their lives, maybe they won't blindly follow the masterminds and become pawns. Ideally yes. But I am pessimistic on jobs. Joblessness is perhaps not going to get better. Still their upbringing and their parents' (important) upbringing is going to be better due to exposure to knowledge, porn etc. thanks to smartphone and internet becoming ubiquitous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, rahulrulezz said: It was always there for last 1400 years. Iran was 100% non Muslim just 1200 years back but Islam terrorized and killed thousands and thousands of Zoarashtrians and now India has more Zorashtrians(Parsis) than Iran. Cuz some Zorashtrians saved their lives from the terror of Islamic terrorists and sheltered in India among Hindus, Buddhists and Jains Afganistan had only Buddhists, Jains and Hindus just 1100 years back, but look now.. From 0 percent to 100 percent through brutal terrorism You Sajid Rana, as your last name 'Rana' suggests, your great great great grand ancestor was raped and terrorized by invaders and your whole generation was an after result of that. Luckily unlike Iran, Iraq, Africa and Middle East, Indians stood (sorry Sajid Rana, not your ancestors) against the terror of Islamic inavaders terrorists and invaders were not able to covert Indians through terror. However, the terror of Abdali, Ghouri, Babur, Aurangzeb is well still written in stories and their biographies. In their own biographies, all of them boast about creating walls of beheaded non Muslims priests and gurus and proudly confess complete destruction of Indians universities like Takshila, countless destruction of temples, scriptures of Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, massacre of Sikh gurus, Hindu Saints etc etc. All of them said they were doing the work for Islam. Does this remind you of ISIS Countless incidents of Islamic terrorism. This is bookmark worthy post for Pakistanis. Even today Pakistani genes are like that they run away and ask for help from America, China. They never do anything on their own. Their posters here are blissfully ignorant as well. If keyboard warrior and sajid Rana are ignorant imagine the uneducated people in Pakistan. No wonder they don't stand for anything. Edited March 25, 2017 by gattaca rahulrulezz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Islam was always thre since beginning of time ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 25 minutes ago, KeyboardWarrior said: Islam was always thre since beginning of time ..... Nope. Otherwise we'd know Islam by the name. Saying its been there since beginning of time, is simply stealing other people's religion. Your religion came into being less than 1600 years ago, in the desert of Arabia. Till that point, there is no evidence whatsoever that islam existed prior to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, Muloghonto said: btw, radical islam will be stopped when we modify our school curriculum to teach philosophy of science at an early age- grade 1/2. If you can teach kids the differences between supposition, facts, hypothesis, theory and law, on what evidence-based analysis is, etc. then it automatically will decrease accepting unsubstantiated books from iron age men as fact.... That's the failed idea of the west. Home-grown Muslims fully grown up in western society have also fallen to the radicalization. It's brainwashing through mosque, internet, and really inherent hatred of kafirs which is the issue. And education and science fails to tackle it truely. Edited March 25, 2017 by someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Nope. Otherwise we'd know Islam by the name. Saying its been there since beginning of time, is simply stealing other people's religion. Your religion came into being less than 1600 years ago, in the desert of Arabia. Till that point, there is no evidence whatsoever that islam existed prior to it. as you wish .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_and_messengers_in_Islam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, KeyboardWarrior said: as you wish .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_and_messengers_in_Islam Thats an unproven claim of Islam, since none of those 'prophets' mention Allah or Islam, islam is simply stealing older religion's claims. It may be a new concept for you, but claim != evidence. the above, is just an unsubstantiated claim from Islam- which all other religions as well as atheists disagree with. And Islam has no proof either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, someone said: That's the failed idea of the west. Home-grown Muslims fully grown up in western society have also fallen to the radicalization. It's brainwashing through mosque, internet, and really inherent hatred of kafirs which is the issue. And education and science fails to tackle it truely. Err no. Nowhere in the west do we teach critical thinking and philosophy of science from a really young age. Education/science fails to tackle it, because this brainwashing you speak of, has a 10-15 year lead time to infest minds, as we do not have philosophy of science taught anywhere in the west, from grade 1/2. So its always an uphill battle trying to break through an ingrained mentality. My point is, if kids are exposed to science and methodology of science, no religion will dig root deep enough to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 World war 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Err no. Nowhere in the west do we teach critical thinking and philosophy of science from a really young age. Education/science fails to tackle it, because this brainwashing you speak of, has a 10-15 year lead time to infest minds, as we do not have philosophy of science taught anywhere in the west, from grade 1/2. So its always an uphill battle trying to break through an ingrained mentality. My point is, if kids are exposed to science and methodology of science, no religion will dig root deep enough to begin with. Humans are not plain subjects. We have identities (race/religion/culture etc) and that's how it will remain. Many big scientists are also religious and practice it often. Identities itself is fine, however problem starts when there is a superior/inferior idea there or hatred of others. So we need to tackle such problem straight. Like, books which are used to justify such radical actions. So, the issue is somewhere in the religion, and no amount of science/education is truely going to change it. Edited March 25, 2017 by someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Thats an unproven claim of Islam, since none of those 'prophets' mention Allah or Islam, islam is simply stealing older religion's claims. It may be a new concept for you, but claim != evidence. the above, is just an unsubstantiated claim from Islam- which all other religions as well as atheists disagree with. And Islam has no proof either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology thats what we believe .... ofcourse one or two wikipedia links cant give you the whole volumes of books and research about pre-Islamic history or his prophets/messengers/books ..... so whats you say or believe thats not our problem ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 43 minutes ago, someone said: Humans are not plain subjects. We have identities (race/religion/culture etc) and that's how it will remain. Many big scientists are also religious and practice it often. Identities itself is fine, however problem starts when there is a superior/inferior idea there or hatred of others. So we need to tackle such problem straight. Like, books which are used to justify such radical actions. So, the issue is somewhere in the religion, and no amount of science/education is truely going to change it. err , there is plenty of objective data out that that shows humans *ARE* blank slates when we are born and except for a very few concepts, such as 'don't inflict pain for no reason' etc, there is hardly anything that is 'inherent' to us. My simple point is, kids are not taught at a very early age critical thinking. if they are, religion and all types of religion induced nonsense will automatically have less takers. Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, KeyboardWarrior said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology thats what we believe .... ofcourse one or two wikipedia links cant give you the whole volumes of books and research about pre-Islamic history or his prophets/messengers/books ..... so whats you say or believe thats not our problem ..... Oh i don't believe anything. I go after facts. And facts prove, there is no mention of Islam prior to mohammed, therefore, the idea that islam existed before mohammed, is nothing more than Islamic propaganda. Islam is simply stealing other religion's prophets and message in that case and until anyone can show objective proof that the word 'Islam' exist before Mohammed, you just have wishful thinking and a pipe dream. Not our problem. Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Thats an unproven claim of Islam, since none of those 'prophets' mention Allah or Islam, islam is simply stealing older religion's claims. It may be a new concept for you, but claim != evidence. the above, is just an unsubstantiated claim from Islam- which all other religions as well as atheists disagree with. And Islam has no proof either. 23 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Oh i don't believe anything. I go after facts. And facts prove, there is no mention of Islam prior to mohammed, therefore, the idea that islam existed before mohammed, is nothing more than Islamic propaganda. Islam is simply stealing other religion's prophets and message in that case and until anyone can show objective proof that the word 'Islam' exist before Mohammed, you just have wishful thinking and a pipe dream. Not our problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology the word Allah has been mentioned in (pre-islamic) different books/languages/religions .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra in Simple words, Islam is the way of Life, and simply means, is to submit your will to Allah .... which all prophets/messengers did in the pre-islamic era .... Edited March 25, 2017 by KeyboardWarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, KeyboardWarrior said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology the word Allah has been mentioned in (pre-islamic) different books/languages/religions .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra The words of Allah being mentioned is a muslim claim. Not evidence. I can too say that my God's words have been mentioned in your text. Doesn't mean it is evidence. Quote in Simple words, Islam is the way of Life, and simply means, is to submit your will to Allah .... which all prophets/messengers did in the pre-islamic era .... That is just your belief. Not fact. Neither does anyone outside of Islam agree with it. Just like how you guys try to steal other people's prophets, the Ahmadiyyas have done the same to you guys and you guys act the same way others do when you guys steal their Gods and message. That proves, beyond a shadow of doubt, that your claims are nothing more than unsubstantiated claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 17 hours ago, Sajid_Rana said: Where was radical Islam hiding during last 1400 years? Did somebody woke them up since the so called war on terror? just saying Woke up who? followers of religion of peace? I didn't know the meaning of "peace" could be subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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