Changes before the Final

[cowboysfan]

On 6/15/2017 at 1:44 PM, asterix said:

Shami should play. Today Kedar bailed out in the middle overs...

 

Pandya was being tonked all over the park...

Is Pandya terrible in IPL too? he atleast should have learned some variations to keep the run rate low.He just bowls every ball at a perfect length to be hit.

[DGBOSS]

I bet Kohli will keep same team .

[beetle]

I couldn't watch the match. Did  bhuvi injure himself seriously?

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, beetle said:

I couldn't watch the match. Did  bhuvi injure himself seriously?

Don't think so.  He bowled properly after the injury.

[Cricketics]

7 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

Is Pandya terrible in IPL too? he atleast should have learned some variations to keep the run rate low.He just bowls every ball at a perfect length to be hit.

Rohit did not have much trust in his bowling and hence did not use him much with the ball. He used to bowl a over or two at times and plenty of times not even a single over. MI had a good bowling attack so that was also the reason that he did not get to bowl much but whenever he did he was bad or okayish. 

[renjith]

Ashwin is not of much use on flat pitches. Especially against sub continent teams. Umesh will be effective against pak batsmen.

[bleaf27]

Between umesh and Shami its a tough decision.  I'm still not convinced for Pandya. 

 

[velu]

ashwin's bowling in ODIs is of no use and his batting might not be needed here ..

jaddu and pandya at 7 and 8 r more than capable bats ..

 

shami for ashwin 

[velu]

6 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Between umesh and Shami its a tough decision.  I'm still not convinced for Pandya. 

 

pandyas problem is too many short balls .. think padosis cant punsih him if we set the field properly

[zen]

I would consider the following factors:

 

a) Playing condition - pitch is likely to be full of runs

b) Pak's strength is bowling 

c) Pak's relative batting weakness against pace

d) The worst case scenario of Ind batting first

e) Ability to defend 280 - therefore having wkt taking bowling options 

f) Pak's relative weakness in running b/w wkts and fielding 

 

Automatic choices for Ind in this tournament:

a) Batsmen - Dhawan, Rohit and Kolhi

b) All rounders - Dhoni and Pandya

c) Bowlers - Bumrah and Bhuvi

 

Add two wkt taking bowlers - Shami / Yadav and Ashwin

 

Now add, one player who can bat and also bowl a few overs - Yuvi / Jadhav. Since Jadhav bowled well in the last game, he could be the fav

 

The above 10 is a solid line up to take on Pak

 

The 11th spot is a luxury add on that can be used to strengthen batting, bowling, fielding, or bring in a player who can bat or bowl a few overs, i.e. one from Jadeja / Yuvi / Jadhav / ....

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2017 by zen

[bleaf27]

What do you guys think of putting in another specalist batsman ?  

 

Rahane or Karthik ?    -  Do you think it would give some good support for the top order knowing we have another specialist batsman ? Both of these batsman can make around 30-40 and can stabilize an innings in case of an awful start ?

[zen]

36 minutes ago, zen said:

I would consider the following factors:

 

a) Playing condition - pitch is likely to be full of runs

b) Pak's strength is bowling 

c) Pak's relative batting weakness against pace

d) The worst case scenario of Ind batting first

e) Ability to defend 280 - therefore having wkt taking bowling options 

f) Pak's relative weakness in running b/w wkts and fielding 

 

Automatic choices for Ind in this tournament:

a) Batsmen - Dhawan, Rohit and Kolhi

b) All rounders - Dhoni and Pandya

c) Bowlers - Bumrah and Bhuvi

 

Add two wkt taking bowlers - Shami / Yadav and Ashwin

 

Now add, one player who can bat and also bowl a few overs - Yuvi / Jadhav. Since Jadhav bowled well in the last game, he could be the fav

 

The above 10 is a solid line up to take on Pak

 

The 11th spot is a luxury add on that can be used to strengthen batting, bowling, fielding, or bring in a player who can bat or bowl a few overs, i.e. one from Jadeja / Yuvi / Jadhav / ....

 

 

 

With spinners likely to bowl in middle overs for Pak, depending on situation esp if Ind is batting first, I could go with the following order:

 

1. Dhawan

2. Rohit

3. Kolhi

(The start is likely to be circumspect)

 

4.Jadhav / Pandya (promoted to being in momentum esp with spinners bowling)

 

5.Dhoni - expected to bat as per situation and ideally till the end 

 

6. Pandya / Jadhav

7. Jadeja / Yuvi

8. Ashwin

9. Bhuvi

10. Shami / Yadav

11. Bumrah

 

 

[DGBOSS]

43 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

What do you guys think of putting in another specalist batsman ?  

 

Rahane or Karthik ?    -  Do you think it would give some good support for the top order knowing we have another specialist batsman ? Both of these batsman can make around 30-40 and can stabilize an innings in case of an awful start ?

As is we have 6 specialized Batsman and 2 Genuine All Rounders . COunt Hardik as a Batting Allrounder and we have 7 Specialized btsman and 1 Allrounder (Jadeja). WHat will 1 more specialized Batsman do ?

 

We need 5 specialized Bowlers for god sake !!!!!

[bleaf27]

1 hour ago, DGBOSS said:

As is we have 6 specialized Batsman and 2 Genuine All Rounders . COunt Hardik as a Batting Allrounder and we have 7 Specialized btsman and 1 Allrounder (Jadeja). WHat will 1 more specialized Batsman do ?

 

We need 5 specialized Bowlers for god sake !!!!!

Rohit , Dhawan , Kohli , Yuvi , Jadhav  , Dhoni ( Not really a specialized batsman) 

Pandya - Jadeja -  combined runs for not more than 20-30 

 

Jadhav and Yuvi aren't really assessed in the CT  -  so literally count this as only 4-5 specialized batsman.

[DGBOSS]

9 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Rohit , Dhawan , Kohli , Yuvi , Jadhav  , Dhoni ( Not really a specialized batsman) 

Pandya - Jadeja -  combined runs for not more than 20-30 

 

Jadhav and Yuvi aren't really assessed in the CT  -  so literally count this as only 4-5 specialized batsman.

If you are saying we need karthik or Rahane because yuvi or dhoni arent assesed in CT then india shud just drop these 2 and play rahane and karthik instead

 

the point is yuvi and dhoni are in as specialized batsman and they have to perform as one.  On a flat new wicket i hink the batsman should be ok really.

 

On other hand I am more worried about bowling !!! We need genuine 3 seamers !!!

[bleaf27]

6 minutes ago, DGBOSS said:

If you are saying we need karthik or Rahane because yuvi or dhoni arent assesed in CT then india shud just drop these 2 and play rahane and karthik instead

 

the point is yuvi and dhoni are in as specialized batsman and they have to perform as one.  On a flat new wicket i hink the batsman should be ok really.

 

On other hand I am more worried about bowling !!! We need genuine 3 seamers !!!

Yuvi doesn't bring the same confidence and Jadhav is quite new and untested - definitely both are specialized Batsman.

Rahane we know can build an innings - he's no power hitter but he can sneak the ball around and build a partnership.   Plus about Jadhav is he can possibly bowl , Karthik cannot.

 

Ashwin and Jadeja both shouldn't play however if we play one spinner then Jadhav and Yuvi should be bowled.  I don't know why Kohli isn't giving 1-2 overs to yuvi - big mistake.

 

So if we need to get 20 overs of spin  -  Ashwin/Jadeja    ,  Yuvi and Jadhav should get it done.

30 overs of seamers -    Bhuvi , Bumrah , Shami possibly Pandya.

[DGBOSS]

3 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Yuvi doesn't bring the same confidence and Jadhav is quite new and untested - definitely both are specialized Batsman.

Rahane we know can build an innings - he's no power hitter but he can sneak the ball around and build a partnership.   Plus about Jadhav is he can possibly bowl , Karthik cannot.

 

Ashwin and Jadeja both shouldn't play however if we play one spinner then Jadhav and Yuvi should be bowled.  I don't know why Kohli isn't giving 1-2 overs to yuvi - big mistake.

 

So if we need to get 20 overs of spin  -  Ashwin/Jadeja    ,  Yuvi and Jadhav should get it done.

30 overs of seamers -    Bhuvi , Bumrah , Shami possibly Pandya.

At the top , Pakistan has just 1 left hander ( Zaman ) and Imad ( if he plays ). All other top order batters are righties. Thus jadeja shud play. 

 

There is no garuntee karthibk or rahane will perform bang in first game they play . I know what you are saying about yuvi but the wickets is  probably going to be v flat . That way one will back both yuvi and dhoni to come good .

 

I would get shami for ashwin. Rest is ok 

 

Either ways the aim should be not to let opposition score more than 250 .

 

 

[DGBOSS]

13 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Yuvi doesn't bring the same confidence and Jadhav is quite new and untested - definitely both are specialized Batsman.

Rahane we know can build an innings - he's no power hitter but he can sneak the ball around and build a partnership.   Plus about Jadhav is he can possibly bowl , Karthik cannot.

 

Ashwin and Jadeja both shouldn't play however if we play one spinner then Jadhav and Yuvi should be bowled.  I don't know why Kohli isn't giving 1-2 overs to yuvi - big mistake.

 

So if we need to get 20 overs of spin  -  Ashwin/Jadeja    ,  Yuvi and Jadhav should get it done.

30 overs of seamers -    Bhuvi , Bumrah , Shami possibly Pandya.

Also keep in mind - Jadhav is a lottery with the ball. It worked last game but did not work against SL. India cannot plan its 50 overs considering anything from Jadhav. He ia more like if others get wacked just try him. We still need proper bowlers to bowl full 50

[wanted_desi]

Ashwin is doubtful, meaning Umesh coming in for him. Wish somehow we can get Shami in for Yuvi so we can attack with 4 Seamers and JAdeja. Get Pandya to #4 Position. I doubt UV will be able to handle much on difficult pitch, and if pitch is flat then there is no need for him as we already got storng line up. 

[The Dark Horse]

I have a feeling Kohli will play the same team