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prudent_kreeda Rising Star

prudent_kreeda

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

One of the news report posted here says that the differences are not cricket-related. I believe Kohli developed some personal issues with Kumble. I dont believe players are against Kumble just because he was a hardtask master. Kohli is one of the hardest working cricketer in India.

        Lets leave this personal  thing aside for a minute .

        Most of the seniors are now have so much money and adulation that  it will be very difficult to adhere to strict discipline and take rap on            the knuckles by others be it a coach. I think very few would be exceptions .

         That's human nature  in all of us .

         Even a teenager will resent it . We see it even in our homes though even are telling them for their own good. 

         Players would want to do things on their way and comfort . So there would be some resentment .

         We have seen some players who did not show any improvement for 3-4 years but starting to come good recently . So they must have         been doing something regularly to improve . That must have required to be more disciplined to iron out shortcomings . 

        what really happened must be this -

         BCCI wanted Kumble  to teach him a lesson for daring to come into their area.  

         This became known to team and  emboldened the team to say that do not want him .  

     

         Point is Kumble will come and go.  In any case i think its a fast bowling coach who is badly required for indian team .

         If Kohli can deliver with him , we should be OK.  After all , aim should be that they should be top team.

         But what should be cleared is :

         1. One should know what is the style which Kohli did not like and how bad that was for indian team ?

             If it was damaging team progress , Kumble has no place .

         2. Does Kohli thinks Yuvi (esp) and dhoni are the best best for 2019 and does not want  others to be tried in their place ?

             Was Kumble always wanted  Yuvi in team ?

             If Yuvi  is getting chances due to VK veto  - Then VK is damaging indian cricket . 

             He is not acting in indian team interest . He is promoting favoritism.

            If Kumble also had the same opinion that YUVI is the right person then only VK is justified. 

        

         3. What was Kumble's position re: inducting new faces like Kuldeep , Pant  etc. Did he oppose or support ?

              If he was against it , he was not fit to be coach. 

         4.  Did both Kumble and VK  were in favour of ASH & Jadeja in selections .

              If not who wanted them to be in indian team ?

          These are pointers  which will tell us whats going on .

          Worrying thing is Superstars getting too much power and wielding their power in selection of team , commentators , Coach . Almost all           areas.

            We have seen commentators getting fired , coaches getting fired , young prospects getting no opportunities . 

             This should be stopped whoever may be the player . 

          

       

                      

 

 

 

  

          

 

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SandeepMotta Community Regular

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8 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

        Lets leave this personal  thing aside for a minute .

        Most of the seniors are now have so much money and adulation that  it will be very difficult to adhere to strict discipline and take rap on            the knuckles by others be it a coach. I think very few would be exceptions .

         That's human nature  in all of us .

         Even a teenager will resent it . We see it even in our homes though even are telling them for their own good. 

         Players would want to do things on their way and comfort . So there would be some resentment .

         We have seen some players who did not show any improvement for 3-4 years but starting to come good recently . So they must have         been doing something regularly to improve . That must have required to be more disciplined to iron out shortcomings . 

        what really happened must be this -

         BCCI wanted Kumble  to teach him a lesson for daring to come into their area.  

         This became known to team and  emboldened the team to say that do not want him .  

     

         Point is Kumble will come and go.  In any case i think its a fast bowling coach who is badly required for indian team .

         If Kohli can deliver with him , we should be OK.  After all , aim should be that they should be top team.

         But what should be cleared is :

         1. One should know what is the style which Kohli did not like and how bad that was for indian team ?

             If it was damaging team progress , Kumble has no place .

         2. Does Kohli thinks Yuvi (esp) and dhoni are the best best for 2019 and does not want  others to be tried in their place ?

             Was Kumble always wanted  Yuvi in team ?

             If Yuvi  is getting chances due to VK veto  - Then VK is damaging indian cricket . 

             He is not acting in indian team interest . He is promoting favoritism.

            If Kumble also had the same opinion that YUVI is the right person then only VK is justified. 

        

         3. What was Kumble's position re: inducting new faces like Kuldeep , Pant  etc. Did he oppose or support ?

              If he was against it , he was not fit to be coach. 

         4.  Did both Kumble and VK  were in favour of ASH & Jadeja in selections .

              If not who wanted them to be in indian team ?

          These are pointers  which will tell us whats going on .

          Worrying thing is Superstars getting too much power and wielding their power in selection of team , commentators , Coach . Almost all           areas.

            We have seen commentators getting fired , coaches getting fired , young prospects getting no opportunities . 

             This should be stopped whoever may be the player . 

          

       

                      

 

Kumble wanted fresh faces. He was the one who puhed for Kuldeep Yadav's selection while VK was oppsed to it. It is very clear from whats happening, VK only wants his friends in the team.

 

  

          

 

 

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prudent_kreeda Rising Star

prudent_kreeda

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31 minutes ago, SandeepMotta said:

 

     As  indian cricket followers , we should know whose actions were detrimental to our progress . Such a guy should not have much say in our cricket as this will be disaster going ahead.

       However  great that person may be,  be it Kumble or VK or their Baap  -  Indian cricket cricket is not their baap ka maal  to harm it .

  And about personal  things -  If those things perceived to be personal but not comply to code of conduct laid out not helping team cause , they cannot be considered personal.

  Eg:  Team member wants to be with family member/ GF  and does not turn up for team activities . That cannot be considered personal. 

   

   

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mishra Mentor

mishra

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On 21/06/2017 at 8:48 AM, rkt.india said:

team does take any decision. Decisions are always made by the captain and the coaches.

"What to do if we won toss?" is never individual decision. Captain allways seeks team Opinion(specially senior/specialist  players). Thats why even just before start of match you see captain along with 2+ players go and inspect the pich, Just in case they need to change the decision. If Captain doesnt listens to them he risks not getting honest opinions in future from team members. Couple of such incidences and members dont like giving opinion and declare captain a n00b.

However this doesnt mean they are not faithful to team or captain. Its just how teams work.

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coffee_rules Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, kosingh said:

The silence from Kohli and the players is deafening. During the Greg Chappell saga the players spoke, and won public opinion. They aren't obliged to speak of course, but at a time when the vast majority of fans, former cricketers and the media seems to be supporting Kumble, the absence of the players' version is somewhat suprising,

They are providing their versions through "unnamed" sources that the media is printing. They are talking to their media friends. 

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mishra Mentor

mishra

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1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

They are providing their versions through "unnamed" sources that the media is printing. They are talking to their media friends. 

Exactly, Take sides and say anything against Kumble and his work culture, You will be questioned.

 

I still think Kumble may have been 100% correct with whatever he was demanding/telling the team and Kohli. Problem may have been "manner". Sometime tone takes precedence over Content. I think tone may have been issue.

 

But I still blame BCCI and CoA for this mess.

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kosingh Collaborator

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3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

They are providing their versions through "unnamed" sources that the media is printing. They are talking to their media friends. 

Like what? All we seem to be hearing are things like "Kumble scolded us", or "gave us dressing downs after our performance in the CT Final".

 

players dont seem to be winning a lot of sympathy with comments like those.

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Lannister Collaborator

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As per new reports, Kumble wanted to bat first against Pak in the finals. It seems like Kohli alone made the decisions with respect to toss and the team selections. He was in no position to listen to the coach and took an premature decision without consulting anyone. 

If this is the attitude he's going have, then he won't last much longer. BCCI has already issued him the warning saying you got your way, now give us the results or ready to face the music. 

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SK_IH Newbie

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13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

As per new reports, Kumble wanted to bat first against Pak in the finals. It seems like Kohli alone made the decisions with respect to toss and the team selections. He was in no position to listen to the coach and took an premature decision without consulting anyone. 

If this is the attitude he's going have, then he won't last much longer. BCCI has already issued him the warning saying you got your way, now give us the results or ready to face the music. 

if true very disappointing and surprising from virat

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mishra Mentor

mishra

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24 minutes ago, Lannister said:

As per new reports, Kumble wanted to bat first against Pak in the finals. It seems like Kohli alone made the decisions with respect to toss and the team selections. He was in no position to listen to the coach and took an premature decision without consulting anyone. 

If this is the attitude he's going have, then he won't last much longer. BCCI has already issued him the warning saying you got your way, now give us the results or ready to face the music. 

Disgusted

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Yoda-esque Newbie

Yoda-esque

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As per new reports, Kumble wanted to bat first against Pak in the finals. It seems like Kohli alone made the decisions with respect to toss and the team selections. He was in no position to listen to the coach and took an premature decision without consulting anyone. 

If this is the attitude he's going have, then he won't last much longer. BCCI has already issued him the warning saying you got your way, now give us the results or ready to face the music. 

Source?

 

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mishra Mentor

mishra

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12 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:

This much is clear that he is not captaincy material.But assuming that somebody else is given the captaincy, this guy will get worse.

 

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Let him sit out against West Indies series. If he behaves like toddler, Toddlers are made to sit on naughty chair till they think and understand what mistake they did

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