Mosher Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 18 hours ago, NareshK said: Pant/Shreyas Iyer/KL Rahul/Sarfaraz - an aggressive opener who has the license to take advantage of powerplay and go after bowlers Sarfaraz is not an opener. He is a middle order batsman. From whatever I have seen in IPL he is a street smart cricketer with a good temperament under pressure. If he can work on his fitness he can be groomed for the finisher's role. There is still some time left for the next WC but the preparations has to start now. By the time the WC starts the young players who will be in the squad should have played 15-20 games for India. express bowling 1
express bowling Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) We have to try out new players to find the ideal ODI combination for WC19 1. Dhawan / Iyer -- quick-starting opener 2. Rohit / Rahul -- opener 3. Kohli 4. Rahul / Pandey / Jadhav 5. Pant / Samson -- wicket keeper -- big hitter 6. Hardik / Shankar / Nagarkotti -- pacer-allrounder-- big hitter 7. Krunal / Lomror -- spinner allrounder-- big hitter 8. Kuldeep / Chahal -- wrist spinner 9. Bhuvi / Khejroliya -- 3 fast bowlers 10. Bumrah / Siraj 11. Shami / Nathu / Thampi Edited June 24, 2017 by express bowling
bleaf27 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 In no specific order Batting candidates Kohli Sharma Rahul Dhawan Gambhir Iyer Samson Pant Dhoni All rounders Pandya Raina Jadeja Krunal Pandya Bowlers Bumrah Bhuvi Shami Umesh Kuldeep Chahal Ashwin Axar Thampi
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, bleaf27 said: In no specific order Batting candidates Gambhir 1 hour ago, bleaf27 said: All rounders Raina Raina - all rounder???????? 3-4 over daalne se koi all rounder thodi na banta hai Where is vijay shankar???? 1 hour ago, bleaf27 said: Bowlers Bumrah Bhuvi Shami Umesh Kuldeep Chahal Ashwin Axar Thampi Not even a single left arm seamer??????
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, express bowling said: 6. Hardik / Shankar / Nagarkotti -- pacer-allrounder-- big hitter Wanted to add nagarkotti but not sure how much will he grow in next 2 yrs as an all rounder.
express bowling Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 42 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Wanted to add nagarkotti but not sure how much will he grow in next 2 yrs as an all rounder. Nagarkotti did very well in the VH Trophy with both ball and bat.
Vijy Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Nagarkotti did very well in the VH Trophy with both ball and bat. What about Lomror? Another big hitter allegedly.
express bowling Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: What about Lomror? Another big hitter allegedly. I have included him in my team above as a candidate who needs to be tried out in ODIs....but he needs to play more List A and IPL matches. Cricketics 1
Vijy Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) How about this line-up? (1) Shubham Gill/Shivam Chaudhary (2) Ishan Kishan (3) Himanshu Rana/Prithvi Shaw (4) Risabh Pant (wk) (5) Sarfaraz Khan (6) Mahipal Lomror (7) Abhishek Sharma (8) Kamlesh Nagarkoti (9) Rahul Chahar (10) Avesh Khan (11) Nathu Singh/K. Seth It shows that our pace options are quite thin as far as < 21 yr olds are concerned. Edited June 24, 2017 by Vijy
bleaf27 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Raina - all rounder???????? 3-4 over daalne se koi all rounder thodi na banta hai Where is vijay shankar???? Not even a single left arm seamer?????? Raina is an all rounder if you are new to cricket , he definitely is. Now should I add the smiley's to make it sound like my argument had a bigger impact or not , how does it work ? 3-4 overs aren't enough as an all rounder ?? Christ man you got limited ability but the more you talk the worse you make it seem - all rounders do not typically bowl more than 5-6 overs at Max - Kluesener , Shoaib Malik , Hafeez , Symonds , Razzaq - they always bowled 5-6 overs at max. - You aren't ideally looking to get 10 overs from an all rounder - if they have good day but not as much. So just because you rate Vijay Shankar highly and I don't , should I add the smiley's here and how many ? Edited June 24, 2017 by bleaf27
Vijy Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, bleaf27 said: Raina is an all rounder if you are new to cricket , he definitely is. Now should I add the smiley's to make it sound like my argument had a bigger impact or not , how does it work ? 3-4 overs aren't enough as an all rounder ?? Christ man you got limited ability but the more you talk the worse you make it seem - all rounders do not typically bowl more than 5-6 overs at Max - Kluesener , Shoaib Malik , Hafeez , Symonds , Razzaq - they always bowled 5-6 overs at max. - You aren't ideally looking to get 10 overs from an all rounder - if they have good day but not as much. So just because you rate Vijay Shankar highly and I don't , should I add the smiley's here and how many ? Nearly all of the people you named you could actually pick up wickets and occasionally run through sides - Symonds, Razzaq and Klusener all have multiple 4wkt and 5wkt hauls. It is an insult to Zulu in particular to compare him with Raina on any level (except fielding). Ankit_sharma03 and Vk1 2
kubrickian Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, bleaf27 said: In no specific order Batting candidates Kohli Sharma Rahul Dhawan Gambhir Iyer Samson Pant Dhoni All rounders Pandya Raina Jadeja Krunal Pandya Bowlers Bumrah Bhuvi Shami Umesh Kuldeep Chahal Ashwin Axar Thampi Gambhir will be a dead duck against any decent seamer. The slips will be licking their lips waiting for a catch any minute. Its shocking how he has regressed over the years. He used to be a good test batsman and did well in New Zealand and South Africa and had a very good ODI career. Now cant play any seamer to save his life. Edited June 24, 2017 by kubrickian Ankit_sharma03 1
Vijy Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, kubrickian said: Gambhir will be a dead duck against any decent seamer. The slips will be licking their lips waiting for a catch any minute. Its shocking how he has regressed over the years. He used to be a good test batsman and did well in New Zealand and South Africa and had a very good ODI career. Now cant play any seamer to save his life. he is a walking pokemon (poke-mon) these days. Vk1 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bleaf27 said: Raina is an all rounder if you are new to cricket , he definitely is. Now should I add the smiley's to make it sound like my argument had a bigger impact or not , how does it work ? 3-4 overs aren't enough as an all rounder ?? Christ man you got limited ability but the more you talk the worse you make it seem - all rounders do not typically bowl more than 5-6 overs at Max - Kluesener , Shoaib Malik , Hafeez , Symonds , Razzaq - they always bowled 5-6 overs at max. - You aren't ideally looking to get 10 overs from an all rounder - if they have good day but not as much. Raina - Number of bowls bowled and wkts taken Raina in 223 games- 2084 balls and wkts 36 Klusner in 171 games - 7336 balls and wkts 192 Hafeez in 190 games - 7082 balls and wkts 133 malik in 252 odi - 7557 balls and wkts 153 symonds- 198 odi - 5935 balls and wkts 133 Razzaq 265 odi - 10941 balls with 269 wkts Ohhhh genius the names u have put na look at the amount of bowling they have done in ODi as compare to raina and look at the wkts. All are above 100 and raina not even 50 Jaaa hasssss Ohh wait i shud Raina bowling in same bracket as Kluesener , Shoaib Malik , Hafeez , Symonds , Razzaq N btw my laughter was becoz u had put Gambhir name Quote So just because you rate Vijay Shankar highly and I don't , should I add the smiley's here and how many ? Go ahead put smileys infront of Vijay shankar name n make fun of urself...... Go ahead Dnt say afterwards that i didnt stop u Edited June 24, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03 express bowling and Vk1 2
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Vijy said: Nearly all of the people you named you could actually pick up wickets and occasionally run through sides - Symonds, Razzaq and Klusener all have multiple 4wkt and 5wkt hauls. It is an insult to Zulu in particular to compare him with Raina on any level (except fielding). 1 hour ago, kubrickian said: Gambhir will be a dead duck against any decent seamer. The slips will be licking their lips waiting for a catch any minute. Its shocking how he has regressed over the years. He used to be a good test batsman and did well in New Zealand and South Africa and had a very good ODI career. Now cant play any seamer to save his life. Dnt take him srsly.......u can go on his page he post gems Their are literally gems - 1. Sir jadeja is a better batsman then pandya 2. Currently - yuvi, dhoni, yusuf are better hitter then pandta 3. gambhir is useful for 2 more yrs 4. Rahane is not a failure in Odi 5. yuvi is a decent fielder Ye raina's bowling comparison with Kluesener , Shoaib Malik , Hafeez , Symonds , Razzaq alag level ka gem hai Abhi upar stats diye hia fir bhi nahin seekhega
bleaf27 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Raina - Number of bowls bowled and wkts taken Raina in 223 games- 2084 balls and wkts 36 Klusner in 171 games - 7336 balls and wkts 192 Hafeez in 190 games - 7082 balls and wkts 133 malik in 252 odi - 7557 balls and wkts 153 symonds- 198 odi - 5935 balls and wkts 133 Razzaq 265 odi - 10941 balls with 269 wkts Ohhhh genius the names u have put na look at the amount of bowling they have done in ODi as compare to raina and look at the wkts. All are above 100 and raina not even 50 Jaaa hasssss Ohh wait i shud Raina bowling in same bracket as Kluesener , Shoaib Malik , Hafeez , Symonds , Razzaq N btw my laughter was becoz u had put Gambhir name Go ahead put smileys infront of Vijay shankar name n make fun of urself...... Go ahead Dnt say afterwards that i didnt stop u Do you really think stupidity makes much of a difference to my opinion. Those were just examples of All rounders bowling not more than 5-6 overs a game - How many overs on average have those bowlers have bowled every game ? Ofcourse Raina is not the same level as them but in essence yes Raina is similarly on a level of an all rounder - is he as skilled ? certainly not. I do not think Vijay Shankar as highely as you , if you have a man crush on them , not my fault. I wouldn't put him on my list , if that offends you , doesn't make much of a difference. And for for you = ill put it again - Gambhir certainly does deserve a chance to fight for a spot in the team .
SUMO Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Team after next 6 months (after yuvi dhoni exit probably) Rohit (Can play long innings) Dhawan (same) Kohli (legend at 3) Rahul (Tight technique to handle pace if quick wickets fall / can be destructive as well/ six hitter) our joe root Hooda (Big hitter and part time option) Pant(wk) (best option if dhoni retires ) Pandya (Big hitter should can promoted at 5 or 6 / good improving bowler ) Jadeja (will be effective with his tight line if wicket taking bowler like kuldeep is at other end/ Gun fielder/ a vert good bat option at 8) Kuldeep (wicket taking option in middle overs/ good bat i think better than ashwin or bhuvi in odis) Shami (our best wicket taking seamer with good skills with new and old ball) Bumrah (death specialist) P.S. - Hooda and Pant are great hitters & have excellent first class average (50+) which is extremely rare, so they can handle good attack if we are 80-4 also, they need to be developed If its seaming conditions replace jaddu with umesh/bhuvi Replacements : Striking opener - pant or kishan middle order - jadhav/Iyer Jaddu replacement - krunal spinners - chahal or any new young wrist spinner like chahar seamer - rotate nathu/umesh/siraj etc. left arm seamer - sran/aniket/milind/khalil Finding these core group of 20-25 is important before 2019 For God's sake kick out Rahane, kartik and ashwin from squad and sorry yuvi paa you too. Edited June 25, 2017 by SUMO NareshK 1
Vk1 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Kohli rohit dhawan hardik bhuvi bumrah shami dhoni kl rahul are certainties. That's 9 out of 15. Kuldeep kedar umesh should be mostly there for 2019. We need a spinner, a middle order with hitting capability and another all-rounder perhaps for the remaining 3 slots.
Vk1 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 One thing that most of us are probably forgetting. Part-time spinners are almost extinct now and definitely useless for 2019 England pitches unless you are unconventional like kedar.
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