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Can Krunal Pandya bat at #6 in the ODI team?

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renjith

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

at #6, you need a six hitter and how do conclude he is a weak batsman? if Hardik can play at 4, while he is better than Hardik as a batsman.

 

55 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Hardik is being used between No.4 to No.6 these days.   This is leaving us with a No.7  who is not a big hitter.

 

We cannot afford just one big hitter from 4 to 7 in LOIs.

 

 

Krunal will play as a batting all-rounder.  So, the specialist bowlers are not affected by his selection.

 

 

He will replace a batsman .... won't be any worse than Karthick batting at 7.

 

Someone who averages 35 in List A and 34 in the IPL as a batsman , with high SRs, is not a weak batsman at all. Add to that his low ER bowling and he adds a lot of value to the team.

 

krunals bowling is not good enough to be one of the 4 specialist bowlers for sure. if hardik is playing as the 5th bowler, then there is no option to include krunal as 5th bowler as well. if we think of playing krunal instead of hardik, what advantage a slow left-arm spinner adds to the team after the team already have 2 of spinners in chahal/kuldeep/axar.

 

so the only option to include krunal is as the no 5 batsman. he may play at 5th or 6th position depending on where dhoni will bat.

 

for the 5th batsman, we are looking for a player who can hit big as well as bowl around 5 overs. is krunal the best in that category? lets look at few other contenders.

 

krunal pandya

fc avg: 23

list a avg: 35

list a sr: 92

list a bow avg: 35

list a bow er: 5.11

 

kedar jhadav

fc avg: 46

list a avg: 48

list a sr: 107

list a bow avg: 34

list a bow er: 5.49

 

deepak hooda

fc avg: 51

list a avg: 40

list a sr: 93

list a bow avg: 24

list a bow er: 5

 

vijay shankar

fc avg: 49

list a avg: 33

list a sr: 87

list a bow avg: 30

list a bow er: 4.84

 

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express bowling Grand Master

express bowling

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47 minutes ago, renjith said:

 

krunals bowling is not good enough to be one of the 4 specialist bowlers for sure. if hardik is playing as the 5th bowler, then there is no option to include krunal as 5th bowler as well. if we think of playing krunal instead of hardik, what advantage a slow left-arm spinner adds to the team after the team already have 2 of spinners in chahal/kuldeep/axar.

 

so the only option to include krunal is as the no 5 batsman. he may play at 5th or 6th position depending on where dhoni will bat.

 

for the 5th batsman, we are looking for a player who can hit big as well as bowl around 5 overs. is krunal the best in that category? lets look at few other contenders.

 

 

 

We are not looking for a 5th batsman .... but a 7th batsman

 

We are not looking to replace Hardik

 

The main considerations for a No.7 batter are SR, six hitting ability and ability to start scoring very quickly. Krunal is one of the better choices.

 

1. Rohit

2. Dhawan

3. Kohli

4. Rahul / Jadhav / Pandey / Karthick

5. Hardik

6. Dhoni / Pant

7. Krunal / Jadhav / Hooda / Shankar / Gowtham 

8. Bhuvneshwar

9. Siraj / / Shami / Kuldeep / Axar

10. Chahal / Kuldeep

11. Bumrah

 

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renjith

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19 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We are not looking for a 5th batsman .... but a 7th batsman

 

We are not looking to replace Hardik

 

1. Rohit

2. Dhawan

3. Kohli

4. Rahul / Jadhav / Pandey / Karthick

5. Hardik

6. Dhoni / Pant

7. Krunal / Jadhav / Hooda / Shankar / Gowtham 

8. Bhuvneshwar

9. Siraj / / Shami / Kuldeep / Axar

10. Chahal / Kuldeep

11. Bumrah

 

imo hardik is not good enough to be a specialist batsman.

 

in case of krunal, jhadav/hooda/shankar has better record than him. i haven't seen gowtham bowl. but based his performance lately I think he is a much better bowler than most of the allrounder contenders.

 

there is nothing wrong in giving krunal a chance as we don't know who will come good in intl level, but in the pecking order there are few other guys above krunal.

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express bowling Grand Master

express bowling

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50 minutes ago, renjith said:

 

krunal pandya

fc avg: 23

list a avg: 35

list a sr: 92

list a bow avg: 35

list a bow er: 5.11

 

kedar jhadav

fc avg: 46

list a avg: 48

list a sr: 107

list a bow avg: 34

list a bow er: 5.49

 

deepak hooda

fc avg: 51

list a avg: 40

list a sr: 93

list a bow avg: 24

list a bow er: 5

 

vijay shankar

fc avg: 49

list a avg: 33

list a sr: 87

list a bow avg: 30

list a bow er: 4.84

 

 

Study this in conjunction with IPL SR, ability to hit 6s, ability to hit pacers, ability to play in big matches 

 

.... and you will have a better idea.

 

 

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express bowling Grand Master

express bowling

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3 minutes ago, renjith said:

imo hardik is not good enough to be a specialist batsman.

I feel, he is in LOIs.

 

3 minutes ago, renjith said:

in case of krunal, jhadav/hooda/shankar has better record than him. i haven't seen gowtham bowl. but based his performance lately I think he is a much better bowler than most of the allrounder contenders.

 

Check the post above 

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On 04/11/2017 at 11:53 AM, SK_IH said:

@jusarrived i disagree with you vehementaly, krunal is better batsman than hardik both in terms of skill and temperament,he is not as destructive against spin but still he is equally effective against spin in his own unorthodox style, he should be part of both odi/t20 sides,he is the only player i see who can match dhoni in his prime in so far as calmness is concerned, if you remember one supr over match vs gujarat this year ,how he build up his innings that game was brilliant

though he needs to get out of this injury phase,he is not helping himself

Krunal cannot do what Hardik does , the big difference is timing which Hardik is gifted with . Even though he hacks some of his shots ,  there is a good mix of clean hitting as well . There are lot of similarities between Krunal  and Jadeja , a slightly better version as ODI bowler and touch inferior with the bat . Jadeja is a big hitter in IPL as well .

Krunal may have Dhonis calmness , but cant see how he can play at 6/7 without he ability to hit big. He has to bat higher ( unlikely ) or lower at 8 . 

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rkt.india Grand Master

rkt.india

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18 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Krunal cannot do what Hardik does , the big difference is timing which Hardik is gifted with . Even though he hacks some of his shots ,  there is a good mix of clean hitting as well . There are lot of similarities between Krunal  and Jadeja , a slightly better version as ODI bowler and touch inferior with the bat . Jadeja is a big hitter in IPL as well .

Krunal may have Dhonis calmness , but cant see how he can play at 6/7 without he ability to hit big. He has to bat higher ( unlikely ) or lower at 8 . 

Jadeja big hitter in IPL! since when? Jadeja has an overall SR of 122 in IPL.

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SK_IH Newbie

SK_IH

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36 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Krunal cannot do what Hardik does , the big difference is timing which Hardik is gifted with . Even though he hacks some of his shots ,  there is a good mix of clean hitting as well . There are lot of similarities between Krunal  and Jadeja , a slightly better version as ODI bowler and touch inferior with the bat . Jadeja is a big hitter in IPL as well .

Krunal may have Dhonis calmness , but cant see how he can play at 6/7 without he ability to hit big. He has to bat higher ( unlikely ) or lower at 8 . 

you must be kidding man,krunal is far far better batsman than jadeja can ever be

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Pollack Mentor

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1 hour ago, jusarrived said:

Krunal cannot do what Hardik does , the big difference is timing which Hardik is gifted with . Even though he hacks some of his shots ,  there is a good mix of clean hitting as well . There are lot of similarities between Krunal  and Jadeja , a slightly better version as ODI bowler and touch inferior with the bat . Jadeja is a big hitter in IPL as well .

Krunal may have Dhonis calmness , but cant see how he can play at 6/7 without he ability to hit big. He has to bat higher ( unlikely ) or lower at 8 . 

There is no similarity in batting of krunal and Jadeja. Jadeja is not as clean hitter as krunal. On the other hand, krunal is not as technically sound as Jadeja (whatever little that he is) is.

The difference is krunal is a quick learner unlike Jadeja who years to be half decent. Krunal's batting is visibly improving each year. Expect him to be even better in next IPL. And this guy has brilliant temperament much better than Hardik.

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SK_IH

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15 minutes ago, Pollack said:

There is no similarity in batting of krunal and Jadeja. Jadeja is not as clean hitter as krunal. On the other hand, krunal is not as technically sound as Jadeja (whatever little that he is) is.

The difference is krunal is a quick learner unlike Jadeja who years to be half decent. Krunal's batting is visibly improving each year. Expect him to be even better in next IPL. And this guy has brilliant temperament much better than Hardik.

which technique ? Jadeja has no technique,he has scored most of his runs in test cricket slogging,I can't recall what match it was but it was embarrassing how he was getting hit on the pads by philander ball after ball and ultimately got out lbw

Jadeja is by far the biggest phoney with the bat 

 

Krunal being unorthodox doesn't mean he will be compared to Jaddu the batsman

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4 hours ago, SK_IH said:

which technique ? Jadeja has no technique,he has scored most of his runs in test cricket slogging,I can't recall what match it was but it was embarrassing how he was getting hit on the pads by philander ball after ball and ultimately got out lbw

Jadeja is by far the biggest phoney with the bat 

 

Krunal being unorthodox doesn't mean he will be compared to Jaddu the batsman

Do you even read full post. :facepalm:

I am saying the same thing that Krunal and Jadeja are not comparable as batsmen.

 

Krunal is not unorthodox batsman. You are mixing up unorthodox shots played to score quick runs to unorthodox technique. Nothing about krunal is unorthodox. He has a normal stance, grip and defence. Abdevilliers plays unorthodox shots too. Doesn't make his technique unorthodox. Although in his case I must admit he is close to being unorthodox. Steve Smith and dhoni are examples of unorthodox batsmen.

 

Jadeja has a proper batting technique. The reason he has failed because he has no brains.He never knows how he should play and pace his innings.He looks pathetic in swing/seam friendly conditions because it's a game of reading the bowlers mind and on swing/seam friendly pitch expecting the unexpected and checking your shots. It's not easy and one can never master it. The reason why even the most technically sound players find it difficult. 

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Rasgulla Rookie

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6 hours ago, SUMO said:

Krunal is being blown out of proportion here in icf imo...he has done nothing to warrant a place in national side on merit

We have history of that here.. They claim they saw some exiting prospect in their mohalla playing with rubber ball and demand BCCI to select that guy in Indian team or they ll moan on internet and threaten BCCI with memes :hysterical:

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