Rohingya insurgents killed many Hindus in Rakhine on August 25

[Muloghonto]

Kt event ?!

[Vilander]

Just now, Muloghonto said:

Kt event ?!

mass extinction, Cretaceous tertiary event is one of them. Earth is due for one, last one was already 60 mil years back.

 

k-pg the last of the skyscrapers you see below.

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

Arnt we already undergoing a mass extinction event right now ??

 

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Arnt we already undergoing a mass extinction event right now ??

 

it has to be over a short period of time, in geological time scale.  the last one was triggered by a meteor strike at a strategically rare surface with just the right chemical combination to maximize the devastation, so precise that its difficult to envisage it as being mere coincidental. 

[Mariyam]

7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

See how closetted atheist  muslims turn into hardcore mullahs..when it comes to their brethren! 

 

 

 

Hardcore Mullah? Do you know that Javed Akhtar has had death threats from Muslim groups.

 

I find this specific question very logical. If elements of the Muslim Rohingyas are the ones killing the Hindu Rohingyas (and Christian and Buddhist according to one of the articles posted above), why are they fleeing with the Muslims?

 

Here is an article from the ToI. Not the best source, but it offers a good bird eyes view. What it hints is that Chinese state has invested in the Rakhine region. And they may need to displace certain regions to carry out mining. Hence the Chinese tacitly support the current actions of the Myanmar government. We and most of the nations to our West are getting caught up with this religion driven narrative here and losing sight of the bigger picture.

 

As a nation, India should be concerned that the Chinese are mining right in our backyards. Best for us if all the Rohingyas (of whatever denomination) are provided safety and continue staying in their natural homeland.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Mariyam

[Mariyam]

45 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Arnt we already undergoing a mass extinction event right now ??

 

 

Just peeked out of my window. Things look calm.

[Mariyam]

7 hours ago, Gollum said:

What a fraud this Javed Akhtar is !!!! He pretends to be unbiased but in moments like this the ugly face comes out. This Bollywood is a cesspit, with the underworld and Islamists running amok occupying all the creative space. They have got filthy rich thanks to Indian non Muslims but can't resist the filthy vile attacks on the majority community, India is secular because the majority are follower of dharmic religion and not because of our constitution or founding fathers. In the entire world in no other non Muslim majority country are Muslims treated as well as in India and yet so much of hate towards us.  Tolerance has limits, I never hated Muslims till recently, their antics are forcing me to hate them. I don't want to hate anyone but can't resist it, it has reached the threshold limit. Whole world is effed up now because of Islamic barbarity, hypocrisy and unwillingness to adapt. 

Please don't hate us.

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

 

Just peeked out of my window. Things look calm.

According to some biologists, the human-lead extinction event is now in the same 'rate of extinction' category as a mass extinction event. 

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, Gollum said:

What a fraud this Javed Akhtar is !!!! He pretends to be unbiased but in moments like this the ugly face comes out. This Bollywood is a cesspit, with the underworld and Islamists running amok occupying all the creative space. They have got filthy rich thanks to Indian non Muslims but can't resist the filthy vile attacks on the majority community, India is secular because the majority are follower of dharmic religion and not because of our constitution or founding fathers. In the entire world in no other non Muslim majority country are Muslims treated as well as in India and yet so much of hate towards us.  Tolerance has limits, I never hated Muslims till recently, their antics are forcing me to hate them. I don't want to hate anyone but can't resist it, it has reached the threshold limit. Whole world is effed up now because of Islamic barbarity, hypocrisy and unwillingness to adapt. 

Hating people for being muslim, is wrong and straight-up, part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I hate Islam. I don't hate muslims. You know why ? Because people deserve to be hated/not hated based on their actions and their personal beliefs. Just because someone is muslim, doesn't mean they automatically know everything in the Koran and automatically are in agreement with it. Muslims, like most humans, predominantly fall in the 'lets do the bare minimum to show i am religious' category, with minorities being super-religious and literal. its true for all religions too. 

If you hate an individual for no fault of their own, you become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

 

[Mariyam]

6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

According to some biologists, the human-lead extinction event is now in the same 'rate of extinction' category as a mass extinction event. 

Our numbers are increasing like never before and biologists say we are in the process of getting extinct!!

Sounds very odd and counter intuitive.

 

Anyway, this is totally off topic.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Mariyam said:

Our numbers are increasing like never before and biologists say we are in the process of getting extinct!!

Sounds very odd and counter intuitive.

 

Anyway, this is totally off topic.

No no, the world is...ie, we are 'making rest of the world go extinct'.

 

And we may be coming close to becoming exinct ourselves, as apparently the 'natural fertility' of humans are dropping alarmingly.  My doctor friend says its pretty shocking how many couples these days need help conceiving a child and how she's noticed a surge in fertility issues herself over the last couple of decades...

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by Muloghonto

[Vilander]

19 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Hardcore Mullah? Do you know that Javed Akhtar has had death threats from Muslim groups.

 

I find this specific question very logical. If elements of the Muslim Rohingyas are the ones killing the Hindu Rohingyas (and Christian and Buddhist according to one of the articles posted above), why are they fleeing with the Muslims?

 

Here is an article from the ToI. Not the best source, but it offers a good bird eyes view. What it hints is that Chinese state has invested in the Rakhine region. And they may need to displace certain regions to carry out mining. Hence the Chinese tacitly support the current actions of the Myanmar government. We and most of the nations to our West are getting caught up with this religion driven narrative here and losing sight of the bigger picture.

 

As a nation, India should be concerned that the Chinese are mining right in our backyards. Best for us if all the Rohingyas (of whatever denomination) are provided safety and continue staying in their natural homelands.

Rohing should stay in their original homeland. True we should make sure Bangladesh takes them back or Myanmar.

[Vilander]

14 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

According to some biologists, the human-lead extinction event is now in the same 'rate of extinction' category as a mass extinction event. 

to loose 60% of extant species means whole families like say butterflies, Beatles, conifers , cats (from tigers to house cats) etc dying off, not just some ecological niche becoming extinct.

[Vilander]

7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No no, the world is...ie, we are 'making rest of the world go extinct'.

 

And we may be coming close to becoming exinct ourselves, as apparently the 'natural fertility' of humans are dropping alarmingly.  My doctor friend says its pretty shocking how many couples these days need help conceiving a child and how she's noticed a surge in fertility issues herself over the last couple of decades...

 

i think rats will live on and cockroaches, rabbits too. so rats will be the tigers, rabbits the deer. 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

Hardcore Mullah? Do you know that Javed Akhtar has had death threats from Muslim groups.

 

I find this specific question very logical. If elements of the Muslim Rohingyas are the ones killing the Hindu Rohingyas (and Christian and Buddhist according to one of the articles posted above), why are they fleeing with the Muslims?

 

Here is an article from the ToI. Not the best source, but it offers a good bird eyes view. What it hints is that Chinese state has invested in the Rakhine region. And they may need to displace certain regions to carry out mining. Hence the Chinese tacitly support the current actions of the Myanmar government. We and most of the nations to our West are getting caught up with this religion driven narrative here and losing sight of the bigger picture.

 

As a nation, India should be concerned that the Chinese are mining right in our backyards. Best for us if all the Rohingyas (of whatever denomination) are provided safety and continue staying in their natural homeland.

If they are illegal Bangladeshis settled in Myanmar (as per the age-old ethnic issue), then it is natural that they settled down in BD. Why should India take them? 

 

There is also a India Today article from verified sources where Hindus males getting killed and their women forcibly converted (Like ISIS on Yazidi women) by the the Rohingyas. Who knows what is the truth, but definitely there is an underlying threat from accepting large scale Rohingya refugees and have them settle down, esp. in J&K where there is already  an insurgent/separatist movement. 

 

But, back to JA - he may be not a mullah, but definitely shows his bias, when it comes to accusing BJP/Right wingers of intolerance. He is a liberal hypocrite and is one of those award-wapasi brigade who thinks India is going down a fascist path. On one hand, he says to mullahs to go to Pakistan once and see how bad it is and then when it comes to issues within India, he will be the first to up in arms fighting for muslims' rights in India, for e,g housing issue in Mumbai and giving it a communal bias, intolerance brigade front-runner!

Edited September 26, 2017 by coffee_rules

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

If they are illegal Bangladeshis settled in Myanmar (as per the age-old ethnic issue), then it is natural that they settled down in BD. Why should India take them? 

Because they are not illegal immigrants and there is legal precedence in their scenario for them to be re-patriated. 

Rohingyas went to Burma over the centuries- first as muslim Bengali traders from Mughal era, settled in Arakan, then as farmers moving around under the British. Burma too was part of India at that time. 

When independence happened, Burma refused citizenship of Rohingyas. Despite the fact that many Rohingyas had been living there for generations and their method of land acquisition was no different than any normal ethnic movements (i.e., non-genocide of wiping people out and then inhabiting their lands). 
So in short, Burma has no case to call Rohingyas illegal- they existed before the state of Burma existed and therefore, they are also 'original people of Burma' along many, from the purview of state. 

 

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

There is also a India Today article from verified sources where Hindus males getting killed and their women forcibly converted (Like ISIS on Yazidi women) by the the Rohingyas. Who knows what is the truth, but definitely there is an underlying threat from accepting large scale refugees and have them settle them down, esp. in J&K where there is also a insurgent/separatist movement. 

Yeah. Whoever thought of settling Rohingyas in J&K should be tried for treason. if Indian citizens cannot acquire land in J&K, Rohingyas should not have de-facto or de-jure land occupation in J&K. 

 

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

But, back to JA - he may be not a mullah, but definitely shows his bias, when it comes to accusing BJP/Right wingers of intolerance. He is a liberal hypocrite and is one of those award-wapasi brigade who thinks India is going down a fascist path. 

No, I don't think its a bias. Because BJP/Right wing are genuinely concerning to any person who thinks the government has no right to  sponsor any religion or make laws involving religious sentiments. I should be able to draw Mohammed doing whatever i want- if you think its blasphemy, cover your eyes and hide your ears. Same with naked Durga, same with eat pork, have a pork restaurant near a masjid,eat beef, etc. etc.

those who want the individual rights and protection afforded in the west, to be the future of  India, do see India going down a fascist path- that much is pretty self evident. But I do agree, the liberal media in India is hyper-hype driven. Its 'nahiiii, Qayamat!!' when in reality, everything in India- including its slow lurch towards fascism. And perhaps a little bit of fascism every now and then is required for India, given how illiterate its society is and how long it has to go, to catch up to the west. 

 

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Because they are not illegal immigrants and there is legal precedence in their scenario for them to be re-patriated. 

Rohingyas went to Burma over the centuries- first as muslim Bengali traders from Mughal era, settled in Arakan, then as farmers moving around under the British. Burma too was part of India at that time. 

When independence happened, Burma refused citizenship of Rohingyas. Despite the fact that many Rohingyas had been living there for generations and their method of land acquisition was no different than any normal ethnic movements (i.e., non-genocide of wiping people out and then inhabiting their lands). 
So in short, Burma has no case to call Rohingyas illegal- they existed before the state of Burma existed and therefore, they are also 'original people of Burma' along many, from the purview of state. 

Yeah. Whoever thought of settling Rohingyas in J&K should be tried for treason. if Indian citizens cannot acquire land in J&K, Rohingyas should not have de-facto or de-jure land occupation in J&K. 

Indian muslims and liberal media have no business fighting for Rohingya as it is an ethnic conflict issue between BD and Myanmar. India should provide aid to the refugees to settle them down either in Myanmar or BD. We already have issues with illegal BDs in WB and in MUmbai and how they are causing the major threat to national security.  The MSM in India is taking up the issue only because BJP has opposed it. Hindu refugees don't go around blowing themselves, while there is precedence for muslim refugees getting radicalized and causing havoc - in Europe, Palestine, Syria, Libya etc.

 

22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No, I don't think its a bias. Because BJP/Right wing are genuinely concerning to any person who thinks the government has no right to  sponsor any religion or make laws involving religious sentiments. I should be able to draw Mohammed doing whatever i want- if you think its blasphemy, cover your eyes and hide your ears. Same with naked Durga, same with eat pork, have a pork restaurant near a masjid,eat beef, etc. etc.

those who want the individual rights and protection afforded in the west, to be the future of  India, do see India going down a fascist path- that much is pretty self evident. But I do agree, the liberal media in India is hyper-hype driven. Its 'nahiiii, Qayamat!!' when in reality, everything in India- including its slow lurch towards fascism. And perhaps a little bit of fascism every now and then is required for India, given how illiterate its society is and how long it has to go, to catch up to the west. 

 

I think the major problem for people like me (right of center) is that these people who fight for FoE do take up the issue with only non-muslims, while even media houses like BBC keep mum on muslims - Islamophobia, hurting muslim sentiments are major issues, while other religion people are soft targets.  I don't get hurt by Hussain types, but I want him to paint nude Mohds as well, then it is fair game. FoE for hurting other religions, while muslims are appeased with evils like Islamophobia, Canada even goes and awards millions to Guantanamo detainees! 

 

I don't think India is going down the fascist path because these issues - beef, LGBT, intolerance, riots were there even in UPA/other govts, and MSM / Congress sold media is only making this a big issue because they are biased towards Modi/BJP. They had never thought that a guy like Modi with his 2002 excess baggage can become a PM and now that he has, they are making any minor religious issues as calls for fascism in India.

 

India needs a strong nationalist party and that is the only one that can unite the country and rid the garbage. Liberals hate anything that the majority likes, they are self-loathing (country or religion) because they want to ape western ideas and movements. FoE is big hogwash issue for a country like India. And those politicians that believe in appeasement politics for vote-banks to grab power and be corrupt. Even BJP is not nationalist enough as they are being bent by opposition, media, liberals in NOT making people realize that country comes first..unity can get you peace and then prosperity. 

 

Countries like USA have gone through years of majority rule over minorities, attained peace and now have gone liberal in thought. At least the new generation.  

 

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Indian muslims and liberal media have no business fighting for Rohingya as it is an ethnic conflict issue between BD and Myanmar. India should provide aid to the refugees to settle them down either in Myanmar or BD. We already have issues with illegal BDs in WB and in MUmbai and how they are causing the major threat to national security.  The MSM in India is taking up the issue only because BJP has opposed it. Hindu refugees don't go around blowing themselves, while there is precedence for muslim refugees getting radicalized and causing havoc - in Europe, Palestine, Syria, Libya etc.

Sure. But we do need to highlight their status if we have to deal with them- which we do. You can't expect Burma to take them back, if India doesn't consider them Buman. Or you can't expect Bangladesh to take them,if you don't think they are Bangladeshi. So we do have to pick a side, if we wish to 're-patriate them'. 

And i don't care if a tiny % of muslim refugees go blowing themselves up or not. Until and othewise anyone can prove its greater prevalence rates than criminal statistics amongst a population, it cannot be basis of any profiling involving nation-states. If you don't want refugees, don't take refugees. Simple. If you want refugees, take ones based on how poor/unfortunate hteir circumstances are.

A state has no business picking and choosing what version of make-beleif stories get refuge or not. 

that is bigoted religious discrimination on the individual. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

I think the major problem for people like me (right of center) is that these people who fight for FoE do take up the issue with only non-muslims, while even media houses like BBC keep mum on muslims - Islamophobia, hurting muslim sentiments are major issues, while other religion people are soft targets.  I don't get hurt by Hussain types, but I want him to paint nude Mohds as well, then it is fair game. FoE for hurting other religions, while muslims are appeased with evils like Islamophobia, Canada even goes and awards millions to Guantanamo detainees! 

Yep. Bottomline is, some white people under guise of liberalism have made a big business out of BS white-shaming and granting 'safe space' for Islam and minorities. that is what 'regressive left' is, in the west.And that is a problem. I don't see it as 'fair game if Hussain paints Mohammed'. thats like getting pissed off at Picasso for painting Guernica and not Dresden. Its not like MF Hussain is a porn maker, who makes nudes of all 33,472 Goddesses around the world but not Mo... then you'd have a case. othewise, he is an artist who picked a theme and made a painting. 

 

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I don't think India is going down the fascist path because these issues - beef, LGBT, intolerance, riots were there even in UPA/other govts, and MSM / Congress sold media is only making this a big issue because they are biased towards Modi/BJP. They had never thought that a guy like Modi with his 2002 excess baggage can become a PM and now that he has, they are making any minor religious issues as calls for fascism in India.

Err, i don't see it that way. Beef, LGBt etc are all issues relating to freedom of the individual. Has it ever occurred to you, maybe some in MSM/Congress hate BJP because BJP is eroding these freedoms or they suspected and their suspicions are getting confirmed ?

Fascism, by definition is curtailment of individual freedom. Food group, imposiiton of religious principles into law- they are all fundamentally fascistic. So its not about 'minor issues',its about India becoming more and more fascistic. You don't become more fascist by taking away big freedoms at first. that, should be fairly straightforward issue and almost all authoritarian government starts with 'minor issues', when it replaces democracy or attempts to. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

India needs a strong nationalist party and that is the only one that can unite the country and rid the garbage. Liberals hate anything that the majority likes, they are self-loathing (country or religion) because they want to ape western ideas and movements. FoE is big hogwash issue for a country like India. And those politicians that believe in appeasement politics for vote-banks to grab power and be corrupt. Even BJP is not nationalist enough as they are being bent by opposition, media, liberals in NOT making people realize that country comes first..unity can get you peace and then prosperity. 

Agree, we need to stop aping western ideas and movements and instead understand and model our system thoroughly on the western principle. Somehow Indians think its a terrible idea. Yet, this is the entire reason why a backwards, backwater Japan went from historical nobody to almost a model society in less than 100 years: they made their government,their education system, their law, all extremely western in its scope & application. Yet, they also retained their cultural integrity. 

Country can come first and country should come first. this is also why many of us are afraid of BJP- because for BJP, religion comes first, given how their definition of country revolves around hindu identity itself. their brand of nationalism is not a state-based nationalism, its religion-based nationalism. 

What BJP folks are very unclear about, is that their hindu spiel is alienating the very, very fast rising atheist community in India. If BJP cannot look past its favourite fairytales like Ram-Leela or Mahabharata, then it will lose a big chunk of the atheist population. If BJP really wants to be a national party, it should put nation first. Not hindutwa. 

[vayuu1]

Got banned on green ghetto yesterday, as I said I have no sympathy for the rohingyas and said they deserve what they are getting, suddenly a, dude started dragging my family in the debate, things got ugly between him and me resulting in both of us getting banned, I am planning to make multiple IDs now enough of this goody goody, let's show this baytches who is the daddy here.

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[Gollum]

10 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Please don't hate us.

I am trying not to. It is not like I have problems with all sections of Muslims. I don't hate Shias (except if they are real jackasses like the Kolkata cleric in news recently), in fact I think Shias are part of the solution, even in the West Asia crisis I am firmly on the Shia side. Even among Sunnis I hate only the extremist Salafi types. Not that I like other Sunnis, I am indifferent towards them because even their so called liberals/Sufis are hypocritical. I really like Shias and hate what is happening to them in Muslim majority countries, especially in West Asia and AFG/Pak. I have never seen them indulge in terrorism and beheading/handchopping/machete attacks etc. Hezbollah isn't like the other terrorist outfits, it is somewhat secular(has Christian members and fighters) and its activities are motivated by politics and not religion, I have never heard about Hezbollah fighters targeting other religion folk, they are like LTTE. I like Iran too and feel it is being wronged by many big powers, and Azerbaijan is my favorite Islamic country, it should be a role model for all Muslim countries because of its rational, secular and liberal values. 

 

Conclusion: Even if push comes to shove I won't hate all Mulslims.