Rate LOI bowling line ups

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

you have to take in India that Indian fast  bowlers play a lot in India, so, having good ER and average combination on those pitches is very rare.  Even Bumrah's ER is on steady rise. BK has good ER but poor average.  

I agree , but these days you need wicket takers , India has to keep hunting for fast bowlers who can take wicket takers.Worry about Bhuvi is he has lost wicket taking ability with new ball and for a bowler who is not express it is vital.

 

Aussies with Starc, Cummins and Hazelwood would be the best fast bowling combo.

 

Somebody was mentioning Pakistan , they are not that good at all.

[Tobacco]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

no it is not biased, we should not under sell sub continent conditions.

 

Imagine pak gets better in spin and does well n all UAE games and rises up the ranks, it should be given credit for that.

 

See each test match counts , every conditions counts. 

I think away wins should count more or there should be tennis like system where series won previously should not increase the points if won again, but decrease the points if lost. Winning new series should increase points. This will force teams out of their comfort zones. 

[Tibarn]

Spinners and Pacers the last 3 years in ODIs, sorted by strike rate(our players in bold)

 

Spinners

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA)	2017-2018	21	19	172.4	6	806	45	6/25	17.91	4.66	23.0	2	1
YS Chahal (INDIA)	2017-2018	21	20	183.1	7	913	38	5/22	24.02	4.98	28.9	1	1
AU Rashid (ENG)	2015-2018	57	55	499.4	6	2717	89	4/41	30.52	5.43	33.6	5	0
Shadab Khan (PAK)	2017-2018	17	17	140.0	3	690	24	3/42	28.75	4.92	35.0	0	0
Imran Tahir (SA)	2015-2018	46	45	398.5	14	1975	68	7/45	29.04	4.95	35.1	1	1
KS Williamson (NZ)	2015-2018	45	13	55.0	1	270	9	3/22	30.00	4.90	36.6	0	0
KM Jadhav (INDIA)	2016-2018	33	21	98.5	0	512	16	3/29	32.00	5.18	37.0	0	0
IS Sodhi (NZ)	2015-2018	17	16	136.5	4	810	22	4/58	36.81	5.91	37.3	1	0
SP Narine (WI)	2015-2016	13	13	119.2	4	501	19	6/27	26.36	4.19	37.6	0	1
A Zampa (AUS)	2016-2018	30	30	246.4	2	1422	39	3/16	36.46	5.76	37.9	0	0
A Dananjaya (SL)	2017-2018	14	13	116.1	3	557	16	6/54	34.81	4.79	43.5	0	1
AR Nurse (WI)	2016-2017	21	20	162.5	2	890	21	4/62	42.38	5.46	46.5	1	0
MJ Santner (NZ)	2015-2018	46	43	361.1	6	1694	46	3/15	36.82	4.69	47.1	0	0
AR Patel (INDIA)	2015-2017	17	17	157.1	3	733	19	3/34	38.57	4.66	49.6	0	0
MM Ali (ENG)	2015-2018	57	55	451.4	9	2346	52	4/46	45.11	5.19	52.1	1	0
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2015-2017	12	11	98.4	1	572	11	3/28	52.00	5.79	53.8	0	0
Mosaddek Hossain (BDESH)	2016-2017	14	14	54.2	0	309	6	3/13	51.50	5.68	54.3	0	0
SS Pathirana (SL)	2015-2017	15	15	109.0	2	640	12	3/37	53.33	5.87	54.5	0	0
GJ Maxwell (AUS)	2015-2018	34	20	83.0	1	471	9	2/15	52.33	5.67	55.3	0	0
DM de Silva (SL)	2016-2017	13	10	38.0	0	201	4	2/35	50.25	5.28	57.0	0	0
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2015-2018	23	22	186.0	2	1019	19	3/33	53.63	5.47	58.7	0	0
Imad Wasim (PAK)	2015-2017	27	27	189.5	3	871	19	2/13	45.84	4.58	59.9	0	0
TM Head (AUS)	2016-2018	38	26	127.3	0	737	12	2/22	61.41	5.78	63.7	0	0
TAM Siriwardana (SL)	2015-2017	25	19	96.1	2	520	9	2/27	57.77	5.40	64.1	0	0
S Prasanna (SL)	2016-2017	11	10	86.2	2	491	7	2/33	70.14	5.68	74.0	0	0
RA Jadeja (INDIA)	2016-2017	15	15	140.0	1	738	11	2/43	67.09	5.27	76.3	0	0
D Bishoo (WI)	2017-2017	13	13	105.0	2	545	8	2/43	68.12	5.19	78.7	0	0
Mahmudullah (BDESH)	2015-2018	23	11	27.0	0	164	2	1/13	82.00	6.07	81.0	0	0
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2015-2018	34	18	132.3	4	581	9	2/23	64.55	4.38	88.3	0	0
TM Dilshan (SL)	2015-2016	15	10	45.5	1	262	3	1/10	87.33	5.71	91.6	0	0
JP Duminy (SA)	2015-2018	42	30	112.1	0	728	7	2/30	104.00	6.49	96.1	0	0
Shoaib Malik (PAK)	2015-2018	37	25	122.0	2	676	7	2/45	96.57	5.54	104.5	0	0
SJ Benn (WI)	2016-2016	12	12	107.0	1	536	5	1/21	107.20	5.00	128.4	0	0
JE Root (ENG)	2015-2018	52	21	70.4	0	436	3	2/31	145.33	6.16	141.3	0	0

 

Kuldeep and Chahal are the two best wicket taking spinners over the last 3 years, and both have economy rates below 5. Jadhav has been like an extra frontline spinner and Axar good for restricting runs. Those 4 are all statistically better than Ashwin and Jadeja who neither take wickets nor restrict runs as well as the current duo. 

 

Pacers

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Hasan Ali (PAK)	2016-2018	29	29	245.5	8	1306	62	5/34	21.06	5.31	23.7	1	3
MJ Henry (NZ)	2015-2018	18	17	153.0	7	848	36	5/40	23.55	5.54	25.5	3	1
TA Boult (NZ)	2016-2018	39	39	351.4	17	1898	76	7/34	24.97	5.39	27.7	2	3
LE Plunkett (ENG)	2015-2018	37	36	301.2	6	1742	65	5/52	26.80	5.78	27.8	4	1
JW Hastings (AUS)	2015-2017	17	17	148.5	6	815	32	6/45	25.46	5.47	27.9	1	1
AS Joseph (WI)	2016-2017	11	11	94.1	3	639	20	5/56	31.95	6.78	28.2	1	1
WD Parnell (SA)	2016-2017	18	17	128.0	3	745	27	4/58	27.59	5.82	28.4	1	0
RJW Topley (ENG)	2015-2016	10	10	77.1	6	410	16	4/50	25.62	5.31	28.9	1	0
MA Starc (AUS)	2015-2018	30	30	270.3	13	1398	56	4/29	24.96	5.16	28.9	3	0
KW Richardson (AUS)	2016-2018	10	10	92.5	4	555	19	5/68	29.21	5.97	29.3	0	1
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2016-2018	28	27	253.1	12	1230	50	6/52	24.60	4.85	30.3	0	2
NM Coulter-Nile (AUS)	2015-2017	10	10	92.4	4	491	18	3/44	27.27	5.29	30.8	0	0
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2016-2018	34	34	284.0	16	1363	55	5/27	24.78	4.79	30.9	1	1
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2015-2018	22	21	184.0	5	1162	35	4/71	33.20	6.31	31.5	1	0
Rubel Hossain (BDESH)	2015-2018	14	13	106.2	2	603	20	4/46	30.15	5.67	31.9	2	0
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2018	42	41	339.0	23	1745	62	4/33	28.14	5.14	32.8	6	0
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2015-2018	26	26	235.5	12	1225	43	4/24	28.48	5.19	32.9	4	0
D Pretorius (SA)	2016-2017	11	11	89.2	4	442	16	3/5	27.62	4.94	33.5	0	0
KJ Abbott (SA)	2015-2016	12	12	101.2	6	488	18	4/40	27.11	4.81	33.7	1	0
KMDN Kulasekara (SL)	2015-2017	12	11	73.3	1	451	13	4/37	34.69	6.13	33.9	1	0
JP Faulkner (AUS)	2016-2017	25	24	206.3	3	1147	36	4/32	31.86	5.55	34.4	2	0
K Rabada (SA)	2015-2018	46	45	392.4	20	2030	68	4/39	29.85	5.16	34.6	4	0
Junaid Khan (PAK)	2017-2017	14	14	110.5	4	600	19	3/40	31.57	5.41	35.0	0	0
Mustafizur Rahman (BDESH)	2015-2018	16	16	128.2	4	652	22	3/38	29.63	5.08	35.0	0	0
NLTC Perera (SL)	2015-2018	26	25	139.2	2	876	23	3/33	38.08	6.28	36.3	0	0
Mohammad Irfan (PAK)	2015-2016	11	11	97.0	5	519	16	3/35	32.43	5.35	36.3	0	0
LH Ferguson (NZ)	2016-2018	16	16	128.0	1	748	21	3/17	35.61	5.84	36.5	0	0
DW Steyn (SA)	2015-2016	12	12	110.2	1	650	18	3/38	36.11	5.89	36.7	0	0
JDS Neesham (NZ)	2015-2017	22	19	92.0	1	616	15	3/36	41.06	6.69	36.8	0	0
MR Marsh (AUS)	2015-2018	34	32	202.2	5	1136	32	4/27	35.50	5.61	37.9	1	0
ST Gabriel (WI)	2016-2017	15	15	114.1	3	691	18	3/17	38.38	6.05	38.0	0	0
AL Phehlukwayo (SA)	2016-2018	24	24	167.4	8	953	26	4/40	36.65	5.68	38.6	2	0
AF Milne (NZ)	2015-2017	17	16	136.3	2	756	21	3/49	36.00	5.53	39.0	0	0
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2015-2018	33	32	247.2	14	1323	38	4/13	34.81	5.34	39.0	1	0
DJ Willey (ENG)	2015-2018	33	32	221.3	13	1223	34	4/34	35.97	5.52	39.0	2	0
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2016-2018	24	24	203.4	12	1046	31	3/16	33.74	5.13	39.4	0	0
Taskin Ahmed (BDESH)	2016-2017	14	14	113.5	2	715	17	4/47	42.05	6.28	40.1	1	0
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2017	32	32	255.0	15	1340	38	5/27	35.26	5.25	40.2	0	1
Mashrafe Mortaza (BDESH)	2015-2018	23	23	188.0	7	1030	27	4/29	38.14	5.47	41.7	1	0
N Pradeep (SL)	2015-2018	20	18	153.2	7	980	22	3/60	44.54	6.39	41.8	0	0
HH Pandya (INDIA)	2016-2018	39	38	274.2	3	1505	39	3/31	38.58	5.48	42.2	0	0
AD Mathews (SL)	2015-2017	31	22	91.4	7	435	13	2/17	33.46	4.74	42.3	0	0
M Morkel (SA)	2015-2018	18	17	134.2	5	708	19	4/39	37.26	5.27	42.4	1	0
BA Stokes (ENG)	2015-2018	39	34	213.3	3	1265	29	3/43	43.62	5.92	44.1	0	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2015-2018	35	35	309.5	18	1735	41	3/22	42.31	5.59	45.3	0	0
JT Ball (ENG)	2016-2018	16	16	145.5	5	926	19	5/51	48.73	6.34	46.0	0	1
B Kumar (INDIA)	2015-2018	36	35	286.3	14	1608	37	5/42	43.45	5.61	46.4	0	1
CR Brathwaite (WI)	2015-2017	17	17	132.0	5	781	17	3/54	45.94	5.91	46.5	0	0
CH Morris (SA)	2015-2018	28	27	210.3	4	1172	27	4/31	43.40	5.56	46.7	2	0
SM Boland (AUS)	2016-2016	13	12	111.2	3	683	14	3/67	48.78	6.13	47.7	0	0

 

Pacers are a mixed bag, Bumrah looks like he is arguably the best in the world. He has a below 5 economy rate, despite bowling in the death overs every match, and he is right in the top half of pacers in strike rate. BK is in the bottom tier in terms of taking wickets and middle of the pack in economy rate; he seems to be a death overs specialist. Pandya has a marginally better economy rate and a better strike rate than BK, but he isn't as good of a death bowler/never bowls in the death. Umesh is a comparable wicket taker to Bumrah, but he has one of the worst economy rates going at over 6.3.

 

Aussies and Kiwis seem to have a lot of good pacers, but their spinners are expensive. Saffers and Poms have some good pacers and a good spinner each.  Padosis seems to have 1 good pacer and 1 good spinner. Lankans, Deshis, and Windies all seem to be missing good pacers. 

 

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, Tobacco said:

I think away wins should count more or there should be tennis like system where series won previously should not increase the points if won again, but decrease the points if lost. Winning new series should increase points. This will force teams out of their comfort zones. 

again WI and sl and bd are also away. there is no way to say sa aus and eng are better away wins. points system takes care of different levels but that's about it. so each test counts basically. 

[PSB_Zone]

Shami was very talented odi bowler but his wife has ruined him.. He wd be an ideal 3rd seamer if he could hv worked on his fitness and finish the matter of his wife

[Moochad]

13 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Spinners and Pacers the last 3 years in ODIs, sorted by strike rate(our players in bold)

 

Spinners

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA)	2017-2018	21	19	172.4	6	806	45	6/25	17.91	4.66	23.0	2	1
YS Chahal (INDIA)	2017-2018	21	20	183.1	7	913	38	5/22	24.02	4.98	28.9	1	1
AU Rashid (ENG)	2015-2018	57	55	499.4	6	2717	89	4/41	30.52	5.43	33.6	5	0
Shadab Khan (PAK)	2017-2018	17	17	140.0	3	690	24	3/42	28.75	4.92	35.0	0	0
Imran Tahir (SA)	2015-2018	46	45	398.5	14	1975	68	7/45	29.04	4.95	35.1	1	1
KS Williamson (NZ)	2015-2018	45	13	55.0	1	270	9	3/22	30.00	4.90	36.6	0	0
KM Jadhav (INDIA)	2016-2018	33	21	98.5	0	512	16	3/29	32.00	5.18	37.0	0	0
IS Sodhi (NZ)	2015-2018	17	16	136.5	4	810	22	4/58	36.81	5.91	37.3	1	0
SP Narine (WI)	2015-2016	13	13	119.2	4	501	19	6/27	26.36	4.19	37.6	0	1
A Zampa (AUS)	2016-2018	30	30	246.4	2	1422	39	3/16	36.46	5.76	37.9	0	0
A Dananjaya (SL)	2017-2018	14	13	116.1	3	557	16	6/54	34.81	4.79	43.5	0	1
AR Nurse (WI)	2016-2017	21	20	162.5	2	890	21	4/62	42.38	5.46	46.5	1	0
MJ Santner (NZ)	2015-2018	46	43	361.1	6	1694	46	3/15	36.82	4.69	47.1	0	0
AR Patel (INDIA)	2015-2017	17	17	157.1	3	733	19	3/34	38.57	4.66	49.6	0	0
MM Ali (ENG)	2015-2018	57	55	451.4	9	2346	52	4/46	45.11	5.19	52.1	1	0
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2015-2017	12	11	98.4	1	572	11	3/28	52.00	5.79	53.8	0	0
Mosaddek Hossain (BDESH)	2016-2017	14	14	54.2	0	309	6	3/13	51.50	5.68	54.3	0	0
SS Pathirana (SL)	2015-2017	15	15	109.0	2	640	12	3/37	53.33	5.87	54.5	0	0
GJ Maxwell (AUS)	2015-2018	34	20	83.0	1	471	9	2/15	52.33	5.67	55.3	0	0
DM de Silva (SL)	2016-2017	13	10	38.0	0	201	4	2/35	50.25	5.28	57.0	0	0
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2015-2018	23	22	186.0	2	1019	19	3/33	53.63	5.47	58.7	0	0
Imad Wasim (PAK)	2015-2017	27	27	189.5	3	871	19	2/13	45.84	4.58	59.9	0	0
TM Head (AUS)	2016-2018	38	26	127.3	0	737	12	2/22	61.41	5.78	63.7	0	0
TAM Siriwardana (SL)	2015-2017	25	19	96.1	2	520	9	2/27	57.77	5.40	64.1	0	0
S Prasanna (SL)	2016-2017	11	10	86.2	2	491	7	2/33	70.14	5.68	74.0	0	0
RA Jadeja (INDIA)	2016-2017	15	15	140.0	1	738	11	2/43	67.09	5.27	76.3	0	0
D Bishoo (WI)	2017-2017	13	13	105.0	2	545	8	2/43	68.12	5.19	78.7	0	0
Mahmudullah (BDESH)	2015-2018	23	11	27.0	0	164	2	1/13	82.00	6.07	81.0	0	0
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2015-2018	34	18	132.3	4	581	9	2/23	64.55	4.38	88.3	0	0
TM Dilshan (SL)	2015-2016	15	10	45.5	1	262	3	1/10	87.33	5.71	91.6	0	0
JP Duminy (SA)	2015-2018	42	30	112.1	0	728	7	2/30	104.00	6.49	96.1	0	0
Shoaib Malik (PAK)	2015-2018	37	25	122.0	2	676	7	2/45	96.57	5.54	104.5	0	0
SJ Benn (WI)	2016-2016	12	12	107.0	1	536	5	1/21	107.20	5.00	128.4	0	0
JE Root (ENG)	2015-2018	52	21	70.4	0	436	3	2/31	145.33	6.16	141.3	0	0

 

Kuldeep and Chahal are the two best wicket taking spinners over the last 3 years, and both have economy rates below 5. Jadhav has been like an extra frontline spinner and Axar good for restricting runs. Those 4 are all statistically better than Ashwin and Jadeja who neither take wickets nor restrict runs as well as the current duo. 

 

Pacers

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Hasan Ali (PAK)	2016-2018	29	29	245.5	8	1306	62	5/34	21.06	5.31	23.7	1	3
MJ Henry (NZ)	2015-2018	18	17	153.0	7	848	36	5/40	23.55	5.54	25.5	3	1
TA Boult (NZ)	2016-2018	39	39	351.4	17	1898	76	7/34	24.97	5.39	27.7	2	3
LE Plunkett (ENG)	2015-2018	37	36	301.2	6	1742	65	5/52	26.80	5.78	27.8	4	1
JW Hastings (AUS)	2015-2017	17	17	148.5	6	815	32	6/45	25.46	5.47	27.9	1	1
AS Joseph (WI)	2016-2017	11	11	94.1	3	639	20	5/56	31.95	6.78	28.2	1	1
WD Parnell (SA)	2016-2017	18	17	128.0	3	745	27	4/58	27.59	5.82	28.4	1	0
RJW Topley (ENG)	2015-2016	10	10	77.1	6	410	16	4/50	25.62	5.31	28.9	1	0
MA Starc (AUS)	2015-2018	30	30	270.3	13	1398	56	4/29	24.96	5.16	28.9	3	0
KW Richardson (AUS)	2016-2018	10	10	92.5	4	555	19	5/68	29.21	5.97	29.3	0	1
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2016-2018	28	27	253.1	12	1230	50	6/52	24.60	4.85	30.3	0	2
NM Coulter-Nile (AUS)	2015-2017	10	10	92.4	4	491	18	3/44	27.27	5.29	30.8	0	0
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2016-2018	34	34	284.0	16	1363	55	5/27	24.78	4.79	30.9	1	1
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2015-2018	22	21	184.0	5	1162	35	4/71	33.20	6.31	31.5	1	0
Rubel Hossain (BDESH)	2015-2018	14	13	106.2	2	603	20	4/46	30.15	5.67	31.9	2	0
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2018	42	41	339.0	23	1745	62	4/33	28.14	5.14	32.8	6	0
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2015-2018	26	26	235.5	12	1225	43	4/24	28.48	5.19	32.9	4	0
D Pretorius (SA)	2016-2017	11	11	89.2	4	442	16	3/5	27.62	4.94	33.5	0	0
KJ Abbott (SA)	2015-2016	12	12	101.2	6	488	18	4/40	27.11	4.81	33.7	1	0
KMDN Kulasekara (SL)	2015-2017	12	11	73.3	1	451	13	4/37	34.69	6.13	33.9	1	0
JP Faulkner (AUS)	2016-2017	25	24	206.3	3	1147	36	4/32	31.86	5.55	34.4	2	0
K Rabada (SA)	2015-2018	46	45	392.4	20	2030	68	4/39	29.85	5.16	34.6	4	0
Junaid Khan (PAK)	2017-2017	14	14	110.5	4	600	19	3/40	31.57	5.41	35.0	0	0
Mustafizur Rahman (BDESH)	2015-2018	16	16	128.2	4	652	22	3/38	29.63	5.08	35.0	0	0
NLTC Perera (SL)	2015-2018	26	25	139.2	2	876	23	3/33	38.08	6.28	36.3	0	0
Mohammad Irfan (PAK)	2015-2016	11	11	97.0	5	519	16	3/35	32.43	5.35	36.3	0	0
LH Ferguson (NZ)	2016-2018	16	16	128.0	1	748	21	3/17	35.61	5.84	36.5	0	0
DW Steyn (SA)	2015-2016	12	12	110.2	1	650	18	3/38	36.11	5.89	36.7	0	0
JDS Neesham (NZ)	2015-2017	22	19	92.0	1	616	15	3/36	41.06	6.69	36.8	0	0
MR Marsh (AUS)	2015-2018	34	32	202.2	5	1136	32	4/27	35.50	5.61	37.9	1	0
ST Gabriel (WI)	2016-2017	15	15	114.1	3	691	18	3/17	38.38	6.05	38.0	0	0
AL Phehlukwayo (SA)	2016-2018	24	24	167.4	8	953	26	4/40	36.65	5.68	38.6	2	0
AF Milne (NZ)	2015-2017	17	16	136.3	2	756	21	3/49	36.00	5.53	39.0	0	0
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2015-2018	33	32	247.2	14	1323	38	4/13	34.81	5.34	39.0	1	0
DJ Willey (ENG)	2015-2018	33	32	221.3	13	1223	34	4/34	35.97	5.52	39.0	2	0
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2016-2018	24	24	203.4	12	1046	31	3/16	33.74	5.13	39.4	0	0
Taskin Ahmed (BDESH)	2016-2017	14	14	113.5	2	715	17	4/47	42.05	6.28	40.1	1	0
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2017	32	32	255.0	15	1340	38	5/27	35.26	5.25	40.2	0	1
Mashrafe Mortaza (BDESH)	2015-2018	23	23	188.0	7	1030	27	4/29	38.14	5.47	41.7	1	0
N Pradeep (SL)	2015-2018	20	18	153.2	7	980	22	3/60	44.54	6.39	41.8	0	0
HH Pandya (INDIA)	2016-2018	39	38	274.2	3	1505	39	3/31	38.58	5.48	42.2	0	0
AD Mathews (SL)	2015-2017	31	22	91.4	7	435	13	2/17	33.46	4.74	42.3	0	0
M Morkel (SA)	2015-2018	18	17	134.2	5	708	19	4/39	37.26	5.27	42.4	1	0
BA Stokes (ENG)	2015-2018	39	34	213.3	3	1265	29	3/43	43.62	5.92	44.1	0	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2015-2018	35	35	309.5	18	1735	41	3/22	42.31	5.59	45.3	0	0
JT Ball (ENG)	2016-2018	16	16	145.5	5	926	19	5/51	48.73	6.34	46.0	0	1
B Kumar (INDIA)	2015-2018	36	35	286.3	14	1608	37	5/42	43.45	5.61	46.4	0	1
CR Brathwaite (WI)	2015-2017	17	17	132.0	5	781	17	3/54	45.94	5.91	46.5	0	0
CH Morris (SA)	2015-2018	28	27	210.3	4	1172	27	4/31	43.40	5.56	46.7	2	0
SM Boland (AUS)	2016-2016	13	12	111.2	3	683	14	3/67	48.78	6.13	47.7	0	0

 

Pacers are a mixed bag, Bumrah looks like he is arguably the best in the world. He has a below 5 economy rate, despite bowling in the death overs every match, and he is right in the top half of pacers in strike rate. BK is in the bottom tier in terms of taking wickets and middle of the pack in economy rate; he seems to be a death overs specialist. Pandya has a marginally better economy rate and a better strike rate than BK, but he isn't as good of a death bowler/never bowls in the death. Umesh is a comparable wicket taker to Bumrah, but he has one of the worst economy rates going at over 6.3.

 

Aussies and Kiwis seem to have a lot of good pacers, but their spinners are expensive. Saffers and Poms have some good pacers and a good spinner each.  Padosis seems to have 1 good pacer and 1 good spinner. Lankans, Deshis, and Windies all seem to be missing good pacers. 

 

So I guess its between us, SA, and English.

 

Seems Poms are missing Woakes 

[Tibarn]

17 minutes ago, Moochad said:

So I guess its between us, SA, and English.

 

Seems Poms are missing Woakes 

From the stats, the English should build their bowling attack around Woakes, Plunkett, and Rashid.

 

Ali and Root give two extra bowling options though spin. They need to just identify another pacer: I guess Topley would be a good choice to explore as his strike rate is nice thus far. Since the English have such a good batting side, they can focus on strike bowlers to take wickets in their bowling unit. 

[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

From the stats, the English should build their bowling attack around Woakes, Plunkett, and Rashid.

 

Ali and Root give two extra bowling options though spin. They need to just identify another pacer: I guess Topley would be a good choice to explore as his strike rate is nice thus far. Since the English have such a good batting side, they can focus on strike bowlers to take wickets in their bowling unit. 

sample size is very low regarding Topley.  

[Tibarn]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

sample size is very low regarding Topley.  

Yeah, which is why it may behoove them to give him a bit of a longer run now. If he fails, they have Wiley, Ball, and Wood to go back to.

[Moochad]

28 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

From the stats, the English should build their bowling attack around Woakes, Plunkett, and Rashid.

 

Ali and Root give two extra bowling options though spin. They need to just identify another pacer: I guess Topley would be a good choice to explore as his strike rate is nice thus far. Since the English have such a good batting side, they can focus on strike bowlers to take wickets in their bowling unit. 

They can be the most balanced side, they have 5 allrounders: Root, Ali, Woakes, Stokes, Rashid 

 

They can have a lineup with the fewest number of specialist bowlers. If they add Plunkett to the above 5, they would bat 10 deep and still have a good bowling attack!

 

A healthy English side is favorites it looks like. 

[Tibarn]

2 minutes ago, Moochad said:

They can be the most balanced side, they have 5 allrounders: Root, Ali, Woakes, Stokes, Rashid 

 

They can have a lineup with the fewest number of specialist bowlers. If they add Plunkett to the above 5, they would bat 10 deep and still have a good bowling attack!

 

A healthy English side is favorites it looks like. 

They are definitely the most dangerous side this time around.

 

We are more limited on the other hand, unless we play Jadhav(and his performances thus far weren't flukes) or maybe Krunal. 

Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli/Rahul/Bumrah/Kuldeep/Chahal guaranteed playing 

 

BK(need his death bowling) or Shami/Umesh for their wicket taking ability

 

Dhoni sandwiched by Hardik and either Jadhav or Krunal 

 

If we think BK counts as an allrounder, and include Hardik along with either Jadhav/Krunal, we still have 3 bunnies in Bumrah, Chahal, Kuldeep 

 

 

[Moochad]

6 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

They are definitely the most dangerous side this time around.

 

We are more limited on the other hand, unless we play Jadhav(and his performances thus far weren't flukes) or maybe Krunal. 

Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli/Rahul/Bumrah/Kuldeep/Chahal guaranteed playing 

 

BK(need his death bowling) or Shami/Umesh for their wicket taking ability

 

Dhoni sandwiched by Hardik and either Jadhav or Krunal 

 

If we think BK counts as an allrounder, and include Hardik along with either Jadhav/Krunal, we still have 3 bunnies in Bumrah, Chahal, Kuldeep 

 

 

I think Kuldeep will be handy with the bat when given a chance. Over time he will get better and better

[Tobacco]

On 7/13/2018 at 4:32 AM, Vilander said:

again WI and sl and bd are also away. there is no way to say sa aus and eng are better away wins. points system takes care of different levels but that's about it. so each test counts basically. 

If you consider a tennis like system, repeating a past win will only maintain points. So away wins against weak opponents will not increase your tally but only teams who break new ground will go up.

 

Point is that a formula can be worked out if there is political will. Frankly, I have scant respect for protecting rankings by only playing at home.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Tobacco

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, Tobacco said:

If you consider a tennis like system, repeating a past win will only maintain points. So away wins against weak opponents will not increase your tally but only teams who break new ground will go up.

 

Point is that a formula can be worked out if there is political will. Frankly, I have scant respect for protecting rankings by only playing at home.

There is gradation in points based on ranking of opposition already icc ranks consider it.. So when pak became no 1 for first time for like1 day or something  it was through their good performance in uae..india aus etc have been doing it for multiple years for same reason.. Nothing wrong with it, it's some one's home and someone's away always. 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Vilander

[Tobacco]

On 7/15/2018 at 5:59 AM, Vilander said:

There is gradation in points based on ranking of opposition already icc ranks consider it.. So when pak became no 1 for first time for like1 day or something  it was through their good performance in uae..india aus etc have been doing it for multiple years for same reason.. Nothing wrong with it, it's some one's home and someone's away always. 

Although, UAE is no home (try living out of a suit case for most of year and see how  it degrades performance) it doesn't matter who became number 1 and when. Gradation simply looks at the opposition's rank, not the conditions which makes home advantage a massive difference. 

 

I think it will be fair to have a tennis like system as above. Only those who can play outside their comfort zones deserve to hold the mace. Tallying up a series of victories at home and defending ranking points leads to uncompetitive cricket. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Tobacco said:

Although, UAE is no home (try living out of a suit case for most of year and see how  it degrades performance) it doesn't matter who became number 1 and when. Gradation simply looks at the opposition's rank, not the conditions which makes home advantage a massive difference. 

 

I think it will be fair to have a tennis like system as above. Only those who can play outside their comfort zones deserve to hold the mace. Tallying up a series of victories at home and defending ranking points leads to uncompetitive cricket. 

lol so since pak play in UAE which you claim is not home they should hold the mace...haha ok

[Straight Drive]

Apart from Kuldeep everyone else looked like minnow team bowlers. Crap bowling.