Please drop Pandya to maintain Test cricket’s sanctity.

[Number]

Barring a five over freak spell which to be fair won us the game he has been a failure in all 4 tests. 

 

[zen]

9 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Pandya is coming to bat at a time when the ball is relatively old, the bowlers are tired and it is much easier to bat,. Yet he is unable to score. This is really disappointing.    His failure should not be justified with top order failure as the top order faces the new ball with all the shine intact.      His place should be really under scrutiny even though he is young.

Bhai, so how come Rahane (continue past his 50), Pant, etc. were not able to score too?

[coffee_rules]

 

Perfect analysis by Aakashwani. The definition of an allrounder is that he fits into either the batting team (top 6) OR the bowling team (third seamer) purely on merit. Taking wkts and tonking a few runs in pressure free conditions doesn't cut it.@zen

[prasen82]

19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Perfect analysis by Aakashwani. The definition of an allrounder is that he fits into either the batting team (top 6) OR the bowling team (third seamer) purely on merit. Taking wkts and tonking a few runs in pressure free conditions doesn't cut it.@zen

I love this analysis .. I was a supporter of pandya , but looking at this, I think we need to first decide if he is a batting all rounder or bowling all rounder. Pandya is neither here and there. we could win one of match here and there but due to balance issues lose a hell lot more.

 

Go with 7 batsman wherein 2 can just roll their arms for 5 overs each in a day and 4 bowlers .

 

Get our bowlers some batting practice so that they survive 20 -25 balls per test innings on average . 

 

That should do .

By going with hardik,pant and openers we essentially went with just 3 batsmen- pujara,kohli and rahane. we are short of one specialist bat . 

 

Pandya is a batting all rounder in odis where there is no help for bowlers and is a bowling all rounder in tests where there is help for bowlers. The sooner we realize this the  better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[putrevus]

He is nether, to call him an allrounder is riduclous.One fluke spell does not make him a bowler nor one fluke 90 in SA makes in a batsman.

 

Having a guy like Bhuvi in his place adds more value to team.

[zen]

55 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Perfect analysis by Aakashwani. The definition of an allrounder is that he fits into either the batting team (top 6) OR the bowling team (third seamer) purely on merit. Taking wkts and tonking a few runs in pressure free conditions doesn't cut it.@zen

This has been discussed and he is not a problem atm 

[putrevus]

He is part of the problem to say he is not the problem is ridiculous. Their allrounder won them the series .

[zen]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He is part of the problem to say he is not the problem is ridiculous. Their allrounder won them the series .

In home type of conditions, Pandya avgs 60+ with the bat ... Eng plays 2 allrounders - Stokes and Curran / Woakes, who are used to such conditions  ....  in the last game, they played Moeen too .... this is Pandya first tour to Eng and he has won Ind a test in SENA. Can’t ask for more from a youngster 

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[putrevus]

In home type of conditions, Pandya avgs 60+ with the bat ... Eng plays 2 allrounders - Stokes and Curran, who are used to such conditions  .... this is Pandya first tour to Eng and he has won Ind a test in SENA

Stuart Bunny’s spell won India a match defending 100. Nobody made him an allrounder.

If he is good in India then let him play there ask him to get away from the team in these countries.




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[zen]

20 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Stuart Bunny’s spell won India a match defending 100. Nobody made him an allrounder.

If he is good in India then let him play there ask him to get away from the team in these countries.




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Pandya can bowl at 140+ .... and because he plays as an AR in LOIs, it is natural that he would get a stint in tests, which has its own learning curve, to which he is adjusting to

 

So far has 4 50+ scores and 1 100. And has bowled some good spells including the match winning spell in the 3rd test .... At times he only bowls 0-10 overs in a test .... when he first started, he appeared like a bowler who just bowled w/o a plan. Now it is good to see him bowl more wkt taking balls, try inswingers, out swingers, short stuff, etc. The stint in test cricket is helping him to become a better cricketer 

 

Since he is improving as a cricketer and we will see that translate in to good performances in LOIs too 

 

No team has 11 players who are equally consistent everywhere and all the time .... Pandya has shown that he has the potential to perform both with the bat and the bowl .... Therefore in a different league than Bhuvi, Ashwin and Jadeja 

 

Listing Ashwin, Bhuvi, Jadeja, etc., as options to Pandya is totally missing the points of those who back Pandya 

 

My 2 cents

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[putrevus]

Pandya can bowl at 140+ .... and because he plays as an AR in LOIs, it is natural that he would get a stint in tests, which has its own learning curve, to which he is adjusting to
 
So far has 4 50+ scores and 1 100. And has bowled some good spells including the match winning spell in the 3rd test .... At times he only bowls 0-10 overs in a test .... when he first started, he appeared like a bowler who just bowled w/o a plan. Now it is good to see him bowl more wkt taking balls, try inswingers, out swingers, short stuff, etc. The stint in test cricket is helping him to become a better cricketer 
 
Since he is improving as a cricketer and we will see that translate in to good performances in LOIs too 
 
No team has 11 players who are equally consistent everywhere and all the time .... Pandya has shown that he has the potential to perform both with the bat and the bowl .... Therefore in a different league than Bhuvi, Ashwin and Jadeja 
 
Listing Ashwin, Bhuvi, Jadeja, etc., as options to Pandya is totally missing the points of those who back Pandya. And is more a discussion of playing an extra bowler, who can bat a bit too
 
My 2 cents

You give Dhawan 100 tests in SENA he will still be useless and inconsistent with odd knock here and there.

Same goes with Pandya.

I would rather have Bhuvi in his place and get less batting.

My 2 cents .


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[zen]

Just now, putrevus said:

You give Dhawan 100 tests in SENA he will still be useless and inconsistent with odd knock here and there.

Same goes with Pandya.

I would rather have Bhuvi in his place and get less batting.

My 2 cents .


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Pandya actually has won a test for India and hit 2 50+ scores on his first tour 

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Pandya actually has won a test for India and hit 2 50+ scores on his first tour 

I know what Pandya has done and not done. He is still useless and should not be in the team in SENA.

Edited September 5, 2018 by putrevus

[zen]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I know what Pandya has done and not done. He is still useless and should not be in the team in SENA.

Pandya has shown that opinion is not accurate .... See the thread where folks laugh at Holding 

[zen]

For perspective, in his first 10 tests, Pandya has outperformed Aakash Chopra  .... including winning Ind a few games 

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Pandya has shown that opinion is not accurate .... See the thread where folks laugh at Holding 

Holding was not wrong .One freak spell does not make him a bowler, Sachin had many 5fers in odis but that didn't make him an allrounder or all rounder.Sachin was in the team for his batting , his bowling was plus .

 Bits and pieces players like Pandya are not useful in tests.There are formats where he can showcase his talents T20s and Odis.

To be an allrounder you should walk into playing eleven as a bowler or batsman first. Pandya does neither. I want this nonsense project Pandya to stop here.

Edited September 5, 2018 by putrevus

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

For perspective, in his first 10 tests, Pandya has outperformed Aakash Chopra  .... including winning Ind a few games 

Just becuase he averaged more than Rahul this series , he does not become better batsman than Rahul. 

[zen]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Holding was not wrong .One freak spell does not make him a bowler, Sachin had many 5fers in odis but that didn't make him an allrounder or all rounder.Sachin was in the team for his batting , his bowling was plus .

 Bits and pieces players like Pandya are not useful in tests.There are formats where he can showcase his talents T20s and Odis.

To be an allrounder you should walk into playing eleven as a bowler or batsman first. Pandya does neither. I want this nonsense project Pandya to stop here.

Pandya is being played as an AR and is performing 

[zen]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Just becuase he averaged more than Rahul this series , he does not become better batsman than Rahul. 

That shows specialists have been a problem 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Pandya is being played as an AR and is performing 

There is no slot as an AR. AR is a luxury which player provides with his other skill.