rkt.india Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, SK_IH said: you can put any riders on it, it was a great effort. I am hard pressed to find any match innings of such brilliance from Kohli in tests. Soemone can correct me if i am forgetting some of his efforts but we cannot compare a SENA team coming to Asia and doing well than a team from Asia going to SENA and beating them. Latter is always a far more difficult thing to do. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Number said: KW has played innings of the year. Best innings of the decade so far ? Kohli 100 in first test England was far better, better attack difficult conditions. Scoring 100 in SENA in seaming and swinging conditions for batsman fro Asia is far more difficult than a SENA batsman to score in Asia. Adjust from spin to pace is always considered more difficult than vice versa. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, rkt.india said: but we cannot compare a SENA team coming to Asia and doing well than a team from Asia going to SENA and beating them. Latter is always a far more difficult thing to do. C'mon man it's not only about pitch, take it into account match situation, series situation, opposition spinner in great form and most importantly chanceless.I ll surely remember this effort from KW, hope Virat can match such an effort in future. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, SK_IH said: C'mon man it's not only about pitch, take it into account match situation, series situation, opposition spinner in great form and most importantly chanceless.I ll surely remember this effort from KW, hope Virat can match such an effort in future. feels Kohli's inns (twin 100s in AUS) are more or less the same quality. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: feels Kohli's inns (twin 100s in AUS) are more or less the same quality. 100s in win will always surmount the ones in defeats. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, SK_IH said: 100s in win will always surmount the ones in defeats. so you think that Williamson would have foreseen a win all the while he was playing that knock? He just applied and put his maximum effort into every factor needed while he was at the crease. And he found almost an equally effective partner in Nichols along with an incompetent team in PAK .Other wise the result of the match would have been lot different. That's why I don't give that much importance to this 'win' factor unless it is some thing like VVS did in Calcutta. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Kohli 100 in first test England was far better, better attack difficult conditions. Scoring 100 in SENA in seaming and swinging conditions for batsman fro Asia is far more difficult than a SENA batsman to score in Asia. Adjust from spin to pace is always considered more difficult than vice versa. No it wasn’t. It wasn’t even Kohli’s best test innings. He had 9 lives throughout that 100. Didnt see KW’s innings though. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: No it wasn’t. It wasn’t even Kohli’s best test innings. He had 9 lives throughout that 100. Didnt see KW’s innings though. 9 lives you must be joking. Those conditions themselves made it a better knock irrespective of lives. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, rkt.india said: 9 lives you must be joking. Those conditions themselves made it a better knock irrespective of lives. 9 lives was a metaphor but what I am saying is it was pretty scratchy for the first 80-90 runs but he played well with the tail though. Cant compare with KW’s innings as i didn’t see it but if he played a chanceless innings and I say a big IF because Pakistanis are more than capable of giving multiple lives then the fact that a SENA team won in SC/UAE and it was a match winning knock, automatically it becomes better. Edited December 7, 2018 by Global.Baba UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Number Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 @rkt.india Agree, may be pure batsmanship wise it is debatable. However guiding your team from -14/4 to first ever series win in a foreign country is just herculean. Of course taking the result into count. VVS 281 is the greatest innings ever played for the reason it won the match. Clarke 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Number said: @rkt.india Agree, may be pure batsmanship wise it is debatable. However guiding your team from -14/4 to first ever series win in a foreign country is just herculean. Of course taking the result into count. VVS 281 is the greatest innings ever played for the reason it won the match. VVS knock is one of the greatest ever not primarily because IND won but because of the magnitude of the value '281'. A few 275+ knocks have been played in the history of cricket but almost all of them were played in far lesser precarious match situations.But '281' has both 'magnitude + adversity' combined. Laxman's knock turned a 'huge 274 run deficit' into an exact opposite 'mammoth 384 run lead' so much so that even the mighty AUS batting line up couldn't resist a weak IND bowling and they lost the match.And what not that AUS bowling line up against which Laxman scored those runs was of much superior quality. Not degrading Kane's knock by any stretch because it too is a brilliant knock, but just saying we can't compare his knock to that of Laxman's knock based on 'win' factor alone. In addition to that ,where as it was a weak PAK batting that couldn't resist Kane's batting performance and failed as a result, it was perhaps the GOAT batting unit that couldn't resist Laxman's onslaught and failed against a weak bowling unit,so much so for the emphatic performace of VVS. So all in all, in the case of '281' ,this 'win' factor gets huge weightage because VVS ensured 'a certain loss for AUS by himself ' a lot lot lot more than Kane did it with his 139 knock Edited December 7, 2018 by rtmohanlal Number 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Daymm, just realized I forgot to celebrate today. Here is the customary celebration Wall2018 1 Link to comment
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