CSK Fan Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 hours ago, zen said: That is something you have posted too i.e. Bhuvi is an improved bowler in the last 20 months (1 Apr 2017) .... And as discussed: Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Apr 2017 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 unfiltered 97 96 778.4 61 3895 105 5/42 37.09 5.00 44.4 3 1 Profile filtered 38 37 290.5 16 1478 44 5/42 33.59 5.08 39.6 1 1 Records type bowling analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 unfiltered 97 96 778.4 61 3895 105 5/42 37.09 5.00 44.4 3 1 Profile filtered 16 16 121.0 6 648 17 4/45 38.11 5.35 42.7 1 0 what is next, Rahane is an improved batsman since 2014? Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2014 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 2013-2019 56 95 9 3488 188 40.55 6887 50.64 9 17 6 389 26 Profile filtered 2014-2019 53 89 8 3271 188 40.38 6421 50.94 9 15 6 359 24 Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 56 95 9 3488 188 40.55 6887 50.64 9 17 6 389 26 Profile filtered 13 22 0 662 81 30.09 1517 43.63 0 5 1 66 3 Hey what about bhuvi s test stats where he outbowled shami and ishant his entire career. Hey stats man. Hey Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Kohli uses Bhuvi better than Dhoni did in at least ODI’s. . Dhoni was all about using slow seamers and spinners and with flat tracks being introduced, our approach was that lets get hit for 300 and not worry since Kohli will anyway chase it down so no worries. pace bowlers were playing just for fun under him to fill up the slots. Bhuvi will do fine in the world cup. He now seem to have a proper role in the team. 34 minutes ago, zen said: In Eng, teams would be playing their strongest squads .... Aus team has been relatively poor and the conditions have been sporting enough .... Melbourne has supported quicks (trundlers here apart from Shami), who have been economical, while the spinners have gone for runs (though Chahal picked up 3 wkts so far) Samcric 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, CSK Fan said: Hey what about bhuvi s test stats where he outbowled shami and ishant his entire career. Hey stats man. Hey in games involving Bhuvi View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler or mixture/unknown Involving the player B Kumar (INDIA) Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 15 of 15 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 2 4 70.1 7 223 11 5/54 7/111 20.27 3.17 38.2 1 0 Mohammed Shami 2013-2018 12 22 338.2 55 1179 47 5/28 9/118 25.08 3.48 43.1 3 0 B Kumar 2013-2018 21 37 558.0 141 1644 63 6/82 8/96 26.09 2.94 53.1 4 0 I Sharma 2013-2018 11 19 300.0 63 896 31 7/74 7/135 28.90 2.98 58.0 1 0 Rather than quoting what I wrote to others, reply to the one quoted to you where you were supposed to accept the stats Edited January 18, 2019 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Samcric Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I think Bhuvi has performed well enough in this Aus ODI series to put any doubts to rest. UrmiSinhaRay and rkt.india 2 Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 hours ago, express bowling said: This is the part which puzzles me. The same TM which has been able to create a potent pool of right kind of international pacers in Bumrah ( bouncy fast bowler with high skills ) Shami ( skiddy fast bowler with skills ) Ishant ( tall, accurate fast-medium pacer ) Bhuvi ( genuine swing bowler who is accurate) ... have tried to bring in guys like Kaul, Chahar Umesh, Shardul etc. All of these guys lack natural bounce ( and the extra accuracy needed for such non-bouncy pacers ) And Kaul and Chahar lack pace too. Its the 'must prioritize and reward consistent FC performers' queue' problem. Fast bowling is not the same as batting or spin - you have to catch 'em young if you spot the spark. Majority of the great fast bowlers have been fast tracked to their national teams. If you only blindly look for the top wicket-takers, you will find more of the workhorse accuracy type bowlers. I remember writing a thread/article on blooding younger quicks a couple of years ago... UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 hours ago, rkt.india said: There is a reason his average is 38 and SR is in high 40s. Over 35 games since April 2017, Bhuvi is averaging 32.8 with an SR of 39. For the same time period, Kagiso Rabada is averaging 32 with an SR of 38 in 19 games. The only bowlers with a better economy rate than Bhuvi are Bumrah, Rabada and Amir. Btw Amir is averaging more than 45 per wicket. Just like Ishant's cumulative test stats were horrific for a long period, but he is a much better bowler over the last 3 years, same goes for Bhuvi. You can't judge Bhuvi's current bowling capabilities and execution skills based on his career stats which are badly impacted by a bad year or 2 from 5 years ago. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?ballsmin1=30;ballsval1=balls;bowling_pacespin=1;bowling_positionmax1=2;bowling_positionmin1=1;bowling_positionval1=bowling_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+apr+2017;spanval1=span;team=1;team=2;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=40;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=bowling Link to comment
SrinjayDutta Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Bhubi can trouble world class left handers. If there is swing conditions we can try bhubi shami bumrah jadeja wristspin in eng. Bhubi and shami are best bets now, no other options. Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 11:38 AM, sandeep said: Over 35 games since April 2017, Bhuvi is averaging 32.8 with an SR of 39. For the same time period, Kagiso Rabada is averaging 32 with an SR of 38 in 19 games. The only bowlers with a better economy rate than Bhuvi are Bumrah, Rabada and Amir. Btw Amir is averaging more than 45 per wicket. Just like Ishant's cumulative test stats were horrific for a long period, but he is a much better bowler over the last 3 years, same goes for Bhuvi. You can't judge Bhuvi's current bowling capabilities and execution skills based on his career stats which are badly impacted by a bad year or 2 from 5 years ago. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?ballsmin1=30;ballsval1=balls;bowling_pacespin=1;bowling_positionmax1=2;bowling_positionmin1=1;bowling_positionval1=bowling_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+apr+2017;spanval1=span;team=1;team=2;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=40;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=bowling he has also been impacted by niggles, and being in & out I guess. with that said, he has underachieved to some extent in ODIs. an avg of 32 is decent, but he should be capable of getting that avg (in this streak) to less than 30. Link to comment
Clarke Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) Forget what one thinks of Bhuvi, this ODI avg/SR is quite some overrated stat on ICF. I'm reading in another thread how awesome Agarkar was since he has superior avg than Srinath or even Zaheer. I wonder if people bothered to watch these guys bowl. Agarkar was a bloody struggling third seamer after having years of experience and having 200+ wickets in whatever games. He can't hold a candle to Zaheer especially in his later days, I don't think we'd win the WC without Zak. Zak would make it to any playing XI around the world for some years. Don't even get me started on Ishant & ODIs. Edited January 20, 2019 by Clarke Link to comment
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