Pollack Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Khota said: There is no hate. It is a competence issue. Again, Test series win in SENA. What more competency do you want? Results speak for your competency. Not any Tom dik hairy's perception about him. Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 one could say the same about SA ODI series Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Aus have Not won a single ODI series in last 2 years. Dont you think its too long a period to feel anyone? Link to comment
Khota Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Pollack said: Again, Test series win in SENA. What more competency do you want? Results speak for your competency. Not any Tom dik hairy's perception about him. Winning with Indian team is not a big deal. This team is real good. Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Won't be easy for aus bowlers or smith/warner to get back to top form quickly without playing international cricket for year. They might struggle early but if their bowlers click as group then i think they will be hard to beat. Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Khota said: Winning with Indian team is not a big deal. This team is real good. Lame excuse. We did not win with Sachin, laxman dravid and co. This team did under Kohli and Shastri. Hard pill to swallow for most here and this comes from someone who doesnt really think Shastri was right candidate to coach.. Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Pollack said: Shastri as a coach now has an overseas test series win. ODI series win in Australia. A very successful coach. His drinking habits are none of anyone's business. Get over your hate. Whats the role of shastri in the team ? We have batting coach and bowling coach. What is his contribution to the team ? Selection process ? The blunders in selection process are second to none and costed us series in SA and England. The Indian team is good. Because we have good bowlers now not just because batsman. Also you name the older legends like Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman. I have seen many innings where they couldn't outbat the opposition like Pujara did when they were on top they gave it away they weren't ruthless. Samcric and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Pollack said: Lame excuse. We did not win with Sachin, laxman dravid and co. This team did under Kohli and Shastri. Hard pill to swallow for most here and this comes from someone who doesnt really think Shastri was right candidate to coach.. Sachin, Laxman and Dravid did not have the best bowling attack in the world. Samcric and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, gattaca said: Whats the role of shastri in the team ? We have batting coach and bowling coach. What is his contribution to the team ? Selection process ? The blunders in selection process are second to none and costed us series in SA and England. The Indian team is good. Because we have good bowlers now not just because batsman. Also you name the older legends like Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman. I have seen many innings where they couldn't outbat the opposition like Pujara did when they were on top they gave it away they weren't ruthless. If Indian team is good why it didn't win in SA or Eng. You say selection blunders were made. Agreed. Shastri and Kohli made few mistakes. Now in Australia series they didn't much. So why take credit away from him now? Regarding having good bowlers, isn't Bumrah drafted in the team under Kohli Shastri. Why again take away credit from him. After repeated failures of openers, Vihari and Agarwal were given chances. All these things while Shastri is coach. But yeah again let's take away credit from him and say Team is good. Regarding coach's role. It's generally a bit of everything. He should be good man manager at the same time be able to provide valuable inputs in batting, bowling, Fielding and strategise and motivate too. Shastri is a good man manager and a good motivator for the team. He falls short of some other qualities and that's why I didn't support Shastri over other available choices present then. But if he delivers results nothing else matters. Edited January 19, 2019 by Pollack Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Khota said: Sachin, Laxman and Dravid did not have the best bowling attack in the world. And when was Bumrah drafted into test team? When Shastri wasn't coach? Shami and Ishant had been around for years and it's bumrah's inclusion which made a difference. Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pollack said: If Indian team is good why it didn't win in SA or Eng. You say selection blunders were made. Agreed. Shastri and Kohli made few mistakes. Now in Australia series they didn't much. So why take credit away from him now? Regarding having good bowlers, isn't Bumrah drafted in the team under Kohli Shastri. Why again take away credit from him. After repeated failures of openers, Vihari and Agarwal were given chances. All these things while Shastri is coach. But yeah again let's take away credit from him and say Team is good. Regarding coach's role. It's generally a bit of everything. He should be good man manager at the same time be able to provide valuable inputs in batting, bowling, Fielding and strategise and motivate too. Shastri is a good man manager and a good motivator for the team. He falls short of some other qualities and that's why I didn't support Shastri over other available choices present then. But if he delivers results nothing else matters. How are attributing selection of Bumrah to Shastri ? May be kohli or MSK prasad. Didn’t Shastri just become the coach ? Did he had that much impact in selection of Bumrah ? If Agarwal was the best opener why wasn’t he selected in the first place but prithvi Shaw was selected ? Clearly a Mumbai youngster is selected over a best domestic bat. Again how do you tie this to Shastri ? Him sleeping while the team is playing must be really great management. The biggest blunder of all blaming Pujara for low strike, dropping Pujara and selecting Rohit Sharma credit should be given to shastri. Dharu shastri is great man manager. Constant chopping and stupid horses for courses selection policy is great man management. If not for Pujara we wouldn’t even have won in Australia from batting perspective. Edited January 19, 2019 by gattaca UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 hours ago, gattaca said: How are attributing selection of Bumrah to Shastri ? May be kohli or MSK prasad. Didn’t Shastri just become the coach ? Did he had that much impact in selection of Bumrah ? If Agarwal was the best opener why wasn’t he selected in the first place but prithvi Shaw was selected ? Clearly a Mumbai youngster is selected over a best domestic bat. Again how do you tie this to Shastri ? Him sleeping while the team is playing must be really great management. The biggest blunder of all blaming Pujara for low strike, dropping Pujara and selecting Rohit Sharma credit should be given to shastri. Dharu shastri is great man manager. Constant chopping and stupid horses for courses selection policy is great man management. If not for Pujara we wouldn’t even have won in Australia from batting perspective. Selection blunders : blame Shastri Selection gone right : how is coach responsible for it? Nice. You have already filled your mind with hatred for Shastri. Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Pollack said: Selection blunders : blame Shastri Selection gone right : how is coach responsible for it? Nice. You have already filled your mind with hatred for Shastri. Lol You are saying Bumrah and Agarwal are in the side because of shastri. I gave my view point that they are based on MSK prasad and also gave a prime example of dropping Pujara. You do seem ignore that completely. Do you have any article suggesting Bumrah and Agarwal are priced because of shastri ? Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, gattaca said: Lol You are saying Bumrah and Agarwal are in the side because of shastri. I gave my view point that they are based on MSK prasad and also gave a prime example of dropping Pujara. You do seem ignore that completely. Do you have any article suggesting Bumrah and Agarwal are priced because of shastri ? LOL Shastri responsible for dropping of pujara but he is not responsible for pushing in Bumrah, Shaw, Mayank and Vihari in test team. Great. Awhat ignored? Already said he had made mistakes and then he had also done some right like in this Australia series. Anything done wrong Shastri is culprit. Anything done right it's either captain, selector or his housemaid. Edited January 20, 2019 by Pollack Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Pollack said: LOL Shastri responsible for dropping of pujara but he is not responsible for pushing in Bumrah, Shaw, Mayank and Vihari in test team. Great. Awhat ignored? Already said he had made mistakes and then he had also done some right like in this Australia series. Anything done wrong Shastri is culprit. Anything done right it's either captain, selector or his housemaid. Pujara was dropped for a match is job of tm vs selection in to the squad is job of selector aka MSK prasad. Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, gattaca said: Pujara was dropped for a match is job of tm vs selection in to the squad is job of selector aka MSK prasad. Playing Manish Pandey and Vihari, two rookies in playing eleven? I am sure you will give credit only to captain for this. But dropping Pujara was Shastri's decision. Suit your justification as per your hate. Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 17 hours ago, Pollack said: Playing Manish Pandey and Vihari, two rookies in playing eleven? I am sure you will give credit only to captain for this. But dropping Pujara was Shastri's decision. Suit your justification as per your hate. Vihari played in England was not a rookie. He was forced to open to protect Rohit Sharma. After 8 test and no big partnerships at the top they were forced to go with Agarwal. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 18 hours ago, Pollack said: Playing Manish Pandey and Vihari, two rookies in playing eleven? I am sure you will give credit only to captain for this. But dropping Pujara was Shastri's decision. Suit your justification as per your hate. People blame Shashtri, but it was kohli who said he wanted batsmen with “intent”. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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