zen Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) In the group stages, a team will play nine games. If we take the 315 as avg score per game, a team will score 2835 (say 2,800) runs. India It is said that its batting strength revolves around the top 3 of Rohit-Dhawan-Kohli. If Ind gets 315 avg score, the chances are that the top 3 would need to make around 175-200 runs. Over the 9 games, it translates in to 1500-1800 runs. It can be difficult to average 500-600 runs among the 3 in the tourney esp. when you consider having to score big vs 5-6 good teams. Against lesser teams, other batsmen can do well too If these 3 play cautious cricket, the other batsmen may need to start hitting from ball 2 or 3, which means that consistency could be sacrificed leading to occasional collapse On the bowling front, specialist bowlers such as Bhuvi, Khaleel, and Chahal can be hit for big runs. The workload in a long tourney could be a negative factor esp. after the IPL Pakistan The key question for them is how are they going to score 315 runs consistently. Hafeez-Malik-Babar-etc need to have splendid games to be able to do that. It would be hard to do that on consistent basis esp. since the overall quality is lacking. Pak may need to bat deep with most batsmen scoring good to mitigate such risks Bowling is ok if the pitches are relatively flat Fielding is an issue too AFG / BD / SL Consistency is a concern In a long tournament, teams, in general, need depth to be successful. In terms of batting, it needs a bunch of players to score 300+ runs (vs a couple scoring 400+ and rest only contributing here and there). Over 9 games, you need to have a bowling unit that can be consistent too In the recent tourneys, Asian teams have been good when the group size has been relatively small and there are a bunch of pressure / KO games (2011 WC, CT, ....). In a long round robin based group, such pressure situation are relatively less and usually surface at the end of the group stages when qualifying equations are clear The point is that the work is cut out for these teams. In a way, the group stages are going to like S8 of 2007 WC .... i hope that they can overcome the challenges and do well .... BOL! Edited February 13, 2019 by zen Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I expect Ind to do well and BD and Afg to do better than expected. Link to comment
zen Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vilander said: I expect Ind to do well and BD and Afg to do better than expected. That would mean beating many of the key non-Asian teams .... For e.g if SL beats BD, AFG, Pak and Ind but loses to other 5 teams, it would not gain much and dent other Asian teams' chances Link to comment
GolGappe Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, zen said: In the group stages, a team will play nine games. If we take the 315 as avg score per game, a team will score 2835 (say 2,800) runs. India It is said that its batting strength revolves around the top 3 of Rohit-Dhawan-Kohli. If Ind gets 315 avg score, the chances are that the top 3 would need to make around 175-200 runs. Over the 9 games, it translates in to 1500-1800 runs. It can be difficult to average 500-600 runs among the 3 in the tourney esp. when you consider having to score big vs 5-6 good teams. Against lesser teams, other batsmen can do well too If these 3 play cautious cricket, the other batsmen may need to start hitting from ball 2 or 3, which means that consistency could be sacrificed leading to occasional collapse On the bowling front, specialist bowlers such as Bhuvi, Khaleel, and Chahal can be hit for big runs. The workload in a long tourney could be a negative factor esp. after the IPL The other challenge for India is the schedule. India's first 3 matches are against RSA, Aus, and NZ. 3 very strong ODI teams in English conditions. India needs to ideally win 2 of first 3 or at least 1. You lose first 3, all of sudden you are under enormous pressure to win remaining matches to get to semi final. Edited February 13, 2019 by GolGappe nevada 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, GolGappe said: The other challenge for India in the schedule. India's first 3 test matches are against RSA, Aus, and NZ. 3 very strong ODI teams in English conditions. India needs to ideally win 2 of first 3 or at least 1. You lose first 3, all of sudden you are under enormous pressure to win remaining games to get to semi final. Pratik77 and Laaloo 2 Link to comment
GolGappe Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nikola said: Corrected. Nikola 1 Link to comment
zen Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, GolGappe said: The other challenge for India in the schedule. India's first 3 matches are against RSA, Aus, and NZ. 3 very strong ODI teams in English conditions. India needs to ideally win 2 of first 3 or at least 1. You lose first 3, all of sudden you are under enormous pressure to win remaining games to get to semi final. In that case it would practically be out as these teams are expected to beat some of the lesser teams as well .... have to rely on AFG or BD or SL creating upsets Link to comment
zen Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 As for Pak, it could lose to 2 Asian teams. And if that happens, it would be difficult to beat all of Aus, Eng, NZ, SA and WI Link to comment
Zero_Unit Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Vilander said: I expect Ind to do well and BD and Afg to do better than expected. This current NZ series will also give us a hint on how BD will do in WC. From the first odi scorecard, doesn't look promising for them. I can see AFG troubling alot of teams. MAy not win many but will come very close. Link to comment
GolGappe Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Here is the points table for 1992 World Cup. 2019 World Cup follows the same format but has one additional team. If you win 6 out of 9, you are in pretty good shape. 5 out of 9 wins, you may have to rely on favorable results from other matches. Link to comment
zen Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, GolGappe said: Here is the points table for 1992 World Cup. 2019 World Cup follows the same format but has one additional team. If you win 6 out of 9, you are in pretty good shape. 5 out of 9 wins, you may have to rely on favorable results from other matches. The competition in 92 was healthy esp among 4,5 and 6, and there were NR games as well .... Here, strong teams are expected to not lose to AFG, BD and SL. So of the remaining 6, if you beat 3, you could still run into NRR scenario. Teams should aim for 7 wins unless AFG, BD and SL beat a few top teams, which should make it interesting! Edited February 13, 2019 by zen Link to comment
Pratik77 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 12 hours ago, zen said: In the group stages, a team will play nine games. If we take the 315 as avg score per game, a team will score 2835 (say 2,800) runs. India It is said that its batting strength revolves around the top 3 of Rohit-Dhawan-Kohli. If Ind gets 315 avg score, the chances are that the top 3 would need to make around 175-200 runs. Over the 9 games, it translates in to 1500-1800 runs. It can be difficult to average 500-600 runs among the 3 in the tourney esp. when you consider having to score big vs 5-6 good teams. Against lesser teams, other batsmen can do well too If these 3 play cautious cricket, the other batsmen may need to start hitting from ball 2 or 3, which means that consistency could be sacrificed leading to occasional collapse On the bowling front, specialist bowlers such as Bhuvi, Khaleel, and Chahal can be hit for big runs. The workload in a long tourney could be a negative factor esp. after the IPL Pakistan The key question for them is how are they going to score 315 runs consistently. Hafeez-Malik-Babar-etc need to have splendid games to be able to do that. It would be hard to do that on consistent basis esp. since the overall quality is lacking. Pak may need to bat deep with most batsmen scoring good to mitigate such risks Bowling is ok if the pitches are relatively flat Fielding is an issue too AFG / BD / SL Consistency is a concern In a long tournament, teams, in general, need depth to be successful. In terms of batting, it needs a bunch of players to score 300+ runs (vs a couple scoring 400+ and rest only contributing here and there). Over 9 games, you need to have a bowling unit that can be consistent too In the recent tourneys, Asian teams have been good when the group size has been relatively small and there are a bunch of pressure / KO games (2011 WC, CT, ....). In a long round robin based group, such pressure situation are relatively less and usually surface at the end of the group stages when qualifying equations are clear The point is that the work is cut out for these teams. In a way, the group stages are going to like S8 of 2007 WC .... i hope that they can overcome the challenges and do well .... BOL! Specialist Bowler such as Jaleel??I really hope selectors don't considers him for WC squad...what a waste of one spot... Link to comment
Stan AF Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 India's biggest challenge comes before the wc in the form of IPL. Link to comment
bahubali Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Pratik77 said: Specialist Bowler such as Jaleel??I really hope selectors don't considers him for WC squad...what a waste of one spot... As per HT they are gng to choose one of zaleel or Unadcutter Pratik77 and Jimmy Cliff 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 I wrote about Ind's batting strength at the top but Rohit needs to pull up his socks in ICC events .... It could be hard to win 7 out of 9 games View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2013 Trophy ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut) or World Cup Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 102 11 V Kohli 2013-2017 13 13 4 525 107 58.33 602 87.20 1 3 1 46 6 HH Pandya 2017-2017 4 3 1 105 76 52.50 54 194.44 0 1 0 4 10 Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 4 4 1 105 53 35.00 106 99.05 0 1 0 13 2 MS Dhoni 2013-2017 13 8 1 240 65 34.28 243 98.76 0 2 1 20 6 AM Rahane 2015-2015 4 4 0 137 79 34.25 163 84.04 0 1 1 11 3 RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 40 9 RA Jadeja 2013-2017 13 8 3 129 47* 25.80 129 100.00 0 0 0 13 3 SK Raina 2013-2015 9 7 1 126 74 21.00 113 111.50 0 1 0 10 4 Hoping for youngsters Pant and Pandya to have a good tourney Link to comment
Zero_Unit Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, zen said: I wrote about Ind's batting strength at the top but Rohit needs to pull up his socks in ICC events .... It could be hard to win 7 out of 9 games View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2013 Trophy ICC Champions Trophy (ICC KnockOut) or World Cup Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s S Dhawan 2013-2017 13 13 1 919 137 76.58 933 98.49 4 4 0 102 11 V Kohli 2013-2017 13 13 4 525 107 58.33 602 87.20 1 3 1 46 6 HH Pandya 2017-2017 4 3 1 105 76 52.50 54 194.44 0 1 0 4 10 Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 4 4 1 105 53 35.00 106 99.05 0 1 0 13 2 MS Dhoni 2013-2017 13 8 1 240 65 34.28 243 98.76 0 2 1 20 6 AM Rahane 2015-2015 4 4 0 137 79 34.25 163 84.04 0 1 1 11 3 RG Sharma 2013-2017 13 13 0 414 91 31.84 546 75.82 0 4 2 40 9 RA Jadeja 2013-2017 13 8 3 129 47* 25.80 129 100.00 0 0 0 13 3 SK Raina 2013-2015 9 7 1 126 74 21.00 113 111.50 0 1 0 10 4 Hoping for youngsters Pant and Pandya to have a good tourney I too have a hard time seeing us win 7/9 games. Regardless of which asian team we want to see not going to the semi, it's quite evident that we need PAK/BD/SL/AFG to win a couple of matches against the big boys to make it easier for us. Espacially against the likes of England. Link to comment
zen Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Zero_Unit said: I too have a hard time seeing us win 7/9 games. Regardless of which asian team we want to see not going to the semi, it's quite evident that we need PAK/BD/SL/AFG to win a couple of matches against the big boys to make it easier for us. Espacially against the likes of England. Ideally yes, but they could lose to most of SENA+WI and bring their (SL/BD/AFG) competitive spirit vs Ind Stan AF and Zero_Unit 2 Link to comment
Zero_Unit Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, zen said: Ideally yes, but they could lose to most of SENA+WI and bring their (SL/BD/AFG) competitive spirit vs Ind A true double edge sword lol Link to comment
zen Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said: A true double edge sword lol Iirc, Pak mainly won CT by beating other Asian teams. And we lost to SL and Pak Zero_Unit 1 Link to comment
zen Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 Pak starts its campaign poorly. Will need to play "great" cricket to plow itself back Link to comment
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