Team is sabotaged by bad selections.

[Insidious]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Agreed. Against seamers, he is actually really good.  But it has to be his day. That is the only problem. Everything can be traced to the inclusion of Rayudu. HE completely screwed up our plans top to bottom. Just to make "biriyani's selection" work India has been doing all kind of experiments for the last 12 months in the middle order. Dhoni i have made peace with his selection.  Vijay Shankar a batting all rounder is able to play much better than this guy. Imagine guys like Subhman Gill, Shaw, Agarwal getting the similar chances in the last one year ahead of Rayudu. 

True. Rayudu has to be one of the worst player ever to get selected in the last 10 years or so. Pathetic fielder, pathetic batsman and even a chucker with ball. Even I stopped eating biriyani, as it reminds me about him.

Also I feel Shankar is a proper no.4 and should not pushed to no.6 or no.7

[kubrickian]

Dinesh Kartik should play ahead of Rayudu, given the current options. Of course, if selectors were not complete idiots they would have given more opportunities to Shreyas Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Mayank Agarwal in the recent past. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

In T20 opening , middle order it is all the same. You have to score at good rate. Infact Rohit's fastest T20 century was not scored in the first 6 overs. Majority of the runs he scored outside 6 overs.  If Pant relies  on fielders standing inside 30 yard circle then he is not quiet there. Rohit doesn't rely on fielders standing inside 30 yard circle. He can clear even outside powerplay.  I have clearly showed who is tuk tuk here lol He is a talented batsman. But he will come in only as keeper. Not specialist batsman. He will come in only as a middle order batsman. Not opener. KL Rahul will be the one who will open. He is not quiet there yet. This will miserably fail like Uthappa experiment in 2007 world cup. They thought he would go hell for leather at the top. Rest is history. Infact Uthappa was a proper opener. But the idea of using him as a pinch hitter and Tendu as MO backfired big time.  You have no proof Pant is not tuk tuk. I have proof at the international level pant is tuk tuk. 

Pant is relatively new so he would be adjusting to the learning curve .... Your bluff gets exposed when you look at the latest stats from 2019:

 

In games involving both Rohit and Pant:

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	3	2	0	25	21	12.50	15	166.66	0	0	0	2	2
KD Karthik	4	3	1	39	33*	19.50	25	156.00	0	0	0	0	4
V Shankar	3	3	0	84	43	28.00	54	155.55	0	0	0	8	5
V Kohli	1	1	0	24	24	24.00	17	141.17	0	0	0	3	0
KL Rahul	1	1	0	50	50	50.00	36	138.88	0	1	0	6	1
RR Pant	4	4	1	75	40*	25.00	55	136.36	0	0	0	5	4
KH Pandya	4	3	1	47	26*	23.50	37	127.02	0	0	0	3	3
RG Sharma	4	4	0	94	50	23.50	74	127.02	0	1	0	6	4
S Dhawan	3	3	0	64	30	21.33	53	120.75	0	0	0	5	3
MS Dhoni	4	4	2	90	39	45.00	89	101.12	0	0	0	6	2

 

• Pant has outperformed Sharma, who cost Ind a T20 vs NZ 
• Dhoni's SR is there too 

 

The above shows Pant is improving .... and a strong case for him to open in lieu of viable shortlisted options .... Appears as if you are afraid that Pant will seal the spot if he opens

 

[zen]

PS when Pant batted in top 3 

 

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Shankar	2	2	0	70	43	35.00	46	152.17	0	0	0	7	4
RR Pant	1	1	1	40	40*	-	28	142.85	0	0	0	4	1
V Kohli	1	1	0	24	24	24.00	17	141.17	0	0	0	3	0
KL Rahul	1	1	0	50	50	50.00	36	138.88	0	1	0	6	1
RG Sharma	4	4	0	94	50	23.50	74	127.02	0	1	0	6	4
S Dhawan	3	3	0	64	30	21.33	53	120.75	0	0	0	5	3

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Pant is relatively new so he would be adjusting to the learning curve .... Your bluff gets exposed when you look at the latest stats from 2019:

 

In games involving both Rohit and Pant:

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	3	2	0	25	21	12.50	15	166.66	0	0	0	2	2
KD Karthik	4	3	1	39	33*	19.50	25	156.00	0	0	0	0	4
V Shankar	3	3	0	84	43	28.00	54	155.55	0	0	0	8	5
V Kohli	1	1	0	24	24	24.00	17	141.17	0	0	0	3	0
KL Rahul	1	1	0	50	50	50.00	36	138.88	0	1	0	6	1
RR Pant	4	4	1	75	40*	25.00	55	136.36	0	0	0	5	4
KH Pandya	4	3	1	47	26*	23.50	37	127.02	0	0	0	3	3
RG Sharma	4	4	0	94	50	23.50	74	127.02	0	1	0	6	4
S Dhawan	3	3	0	64	30	21.33	53	120.75	0	0	0	5	3
MS Dhoni	4	4	2	90	39	45.00	89	101.12	0	0	0	6	2

 

• Pant has outperformed Sharma, who cost Ind a T20 vs NZ 
• Dhoni's SR is there too 

 

The above shows Pant is improving .... and a strong case for him to open in lieu of viable shortlisted options .... Appears as if you are afraid that Pant will seal the spot if he opens

 

He has a grand total of 75 runs lol That is your sample?  Same match Dhoni has 101. SHouldn't he be the one who should be replaced by Pant? lol  Rohit  94 in 74 ,   Pant 75 in 55. You see a world of difference between that? 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

PS when Pant batted in top 3 

 

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V Shankar	2	2	0	70	43	35.00	46	152.17	0	0	0	7	4
RR Pant	1	1	1	40	40*	-	28	142.85	0	0	0	4	1
V Kohli	1	1	0	24	24	24.00	17	141.17	0	0	0	3	0
KL Rahul	1	1	0	50	50	50.00	36	138.88	0	1	0	6	1
RG Sharma	4	4	0	94	50	23.50	74	127.02	0	1	0	6	4
S Dhawan	3	3	0	64	30	21.33	53	120.75	0	0	0	5	3

This is called straw man argument . No.3 is not opening.  That too one innings. So Vijay shankar should open ahead of him using your filter.

Edited March 9, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[zen]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

He has a grand total of 75 runs lol That is your sample?  Same match Dhoni has 101. SHouldn't he be the one who should be replaced by Pant? lol  Rohit  94 in 74 ,   Pant 75 in 55. You see a world of difference between that? 

clearly you have lost the plot .... no coherence in typing too   

 

dude, why do you try to discuss stats when you suck at it

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, zen said:

clearly you have lost the plot .... no coherence in typing too   

 

dude, why do you try to discuss stats when you suck at it

You have no logic. lol your idea comes from million filters in cricinfo stat. Obviously it is going to be ridiculous.  You excluded his whole career and included only 2019. That explains your desperation. Why can't you use a filter to include only the matches where Rohit failed and Pant clicked.  Never seen such worse straw man argument to back a guy with zero experience at this level to replace a guy who is averaging 56 as opener over a long period. Seriously you sound dumber and dumber with your argument.

[zen]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

You have no logic. lol your idea comes from million filters in cricinfo stat. Obviously it is going to be ridiculous.  You excluded his whole career and included only 2019. That explains your desperation. Why can't you use a filter to include only the matches where Rohit failed and Pant clicked.  Never seen such worse straw man argument to back a guy with zero experience at this level to replace a guy who is averaging 56 as opener over a long period. Seriously you sound dumber and dumber with your argument.

buddy, the post shows you suck at stats  .... and whole career when he has just started and has improved    

 

As someone said, let's bring Yuvi and Raina, who are not retired yet, back too based on past whole career stats  

 

No more time to waste on Tuktuk Sharma, who may be imp for a closet fan like you .... Others should be given opportunity .... Team first  

 

Edited March 9, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

buddy, the post shows you suck at stats  .... and whole career when he has just started and has improved    

 

As someone said, let's bring Yuvi and Raina, who are not retired yet, back too based on past whole career stats  

 

No more time to waste on Tuktuk Sharma, who may be imp for a closet fan like you .... Others should be given opportunity .... Team first  

 

He scored 133 at the SCG only 3 months back lol Suddenly you sound like he hasn't scored anything for years.  You are only using 2019 to support your argument.  only 2 months completed. How can you use just the year 2019 as a reference?  That is called manipulating stats to prove garbage ideas. 

 

Tell me which player from this list is not going to play for their country? Pretty much everyone in that list has been consistently scoring runs. Ofcourse Dhawan dropped a bit over the last 10 or 15 innings. Nobody is going to be dropped. Your outlandish idea will reach trash can in no time if you suggest to any neutral cricket expert in the world.

 

1	Virat Kohli  IND		887
2	Rohit Sharma	IND	854
3	Ross Taylor	NZ	821
4	Joe Root	ENG	807
5	Babar Azam	PAK	801
6	Francois du Plessis	SA	791
7	Shai Hope	WI	780
8	Quinton de Kock	SA	758
9	Fakhar Zaman	PAK	755
10	Shikhar Dhawan	IND	744

[zen]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

He scored 133 at the SCG only 3 months back lol Suddenly you sound like he hasn't scored anything for years.  You are only using 2019 to support your argument.  only 2 months completed. How can you use just the year 2019 as a reference?  That is called manipulating stats to prove garbage ideas. 

 

Tell me which player from this list is not going to play for their country? Pretty much everyone in that list has been consistently scoring runs. Ofcourse Dhawan dropped a bit over the last 10 or 15 innings. Nobody is going to be dropped. Your outlandish idea will reach trash can in no time if you suggest to any neutral cricket expert in the world.

 

 You still do not get it do you? Tuktuk fanboy do tuktuk to digest information as well! ....,It is not about scoring as but how you are scoring. Data has been posted on other threads on the topic .... and already went through most of this including rankings (and you replied to that post too) 

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, SRT100 said:

Hitman

This is going to spectacularly back fire within this series.. 

[vvvslaxman]

17 minutes ago, zen said:

 You still do not get it do you? Tuktuk fanboy do tuktuk to digest information as well! ....,It is not about scoring as but how you are scoring. Data has been posted on other threads on the topic .... and already went through most of this including rankings (and you replied to that post too) 

 

 

 

 

Yea i get that  8 runs in 2 balls > 133 in 130 bals. We get that lol   

[zen]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Yea i get that  8 runs in 2 balls > 133 in 130 bals. We get that lol   

if using such strawman makes you happy in lieu of getting sleepless nights because of tuktuk

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

if using such strawman makes you happy in lieu of getting sleepless nights because of tuktuk

 

 

Sorry in your dictionary 50 over game ends at 10th over. We get that.  You want your own Kaluvitharana. Pant is a better payer than a pinch hitter.  

[zen]

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Sorry in your dictionary 50 over game ends at 10th over. We get that.  You want your own Kaluvitharana. Pant is a better payer than a pinch hitter.  

Appears as if your “We” = ppl in your mental asylum. So that explains this that you think Pant (or other viable option) has to get out on the 60th ball or he will be brought to the asylum too

 

That numbers can be thrown around out of context. So a 133 of 130 (approx 22 overs) is good when chasing 350+, where others get 28 overs to get 220+ at an RRR of 8 which is constantly rising after a good over by the other team 

 

And strawman arguments make sense as may be in mental asylums, ppl like you think that they are real! 

 

Now go to bed or the strawman will come (looks like tuktuk sharma so you may actually be waiting for him)

 

 

[cowboysfan]

2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

.... and yet since last world cup we have been winning 65-70% of ODIs. 

 

To maintain that kind of win ratio year after year means captain/coach/selectors know what they are doing. 

we are winning but are we good enough to win the WC? individual form is very worrying .

[Vk1]

We are currently doing lot of things coz of injuries and form.. Rayudu is playing continuously coz Dhawan is out of form and they don't want inexperience at 4... Jadeja is playing even if he might not play any major role in worldcup coz hardik will play.. so we have not been playing a 11 that is likely to field most often in worldcup 

[vvvslaxman]

9 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

we are winning but are we good enough to win the WC? individual form is very worrying .

India is a form team. If they hit and ground running as a unit immediately not many team can challenge them.  We somewhat rely on the mediocrity of other teams as well.  Personally an outstanding captain would do wonders with our current team. Kohli still relies on input from Dhoni/Rohit. He makes very conventional decisions most of the time. No out of the box thinking.  You have to extract the best out of everyone in your team. Kohli's problem is he is trying to mask all the inadequacies in his team with his performance. It is a bit like a tech lead trying to solve all the issues hands on that were unable to be handled by his team. Lead has to get them doing it.

 

"We will have a few changes in the next couple of games, but the idea is to tell the boys to put in match-winning performances, and the boys will be looking to be in top form before the flight to England"

[putrevus]

People are getting worked up too much, world cup is long tournament and two months away.But I am amused by some nonsenical comments where people are talking about Rohit Sharma.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2019 by putrevus