Sanju Manju : How India Must Plan ODI Future to Build Towards 2023 World Cup

[kaptaan]

Since I was gung-ho about India’s chances of winning the World Cup, it turned out like a very enjoyable film that ended abruptly. This is the harsh truth of sport. Just because one is emotionally invested in a team does not naturally result in that team winning.

Pakistan fans started dreaming of a repeat of 1992 when the first few matches followed a similar pattern to that memorable campaign under Imran Khan. But sport, as it mostly does, woke them up to the harsh reality - stop dreaming!

 

 

 

 

To be world champions, you must have a champion team. And what is a champion team? A team with no major weaknesses, or at least with fewer weaknesses than other teams in the same competition.

 

 

 

 

At this World Cup, India was a champion team with just one glaring weakness. And as luck would have it, both Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli were dismissed early in the all-important semifinal, an uncommon occurrence these days. That resulted in this weakness being exposed - the middle order was India’s Achilles heel and New Zealand exploited that expertly.

However, now that the World Cup is over, what does India need to do to make sure their ODI team continues to be strong? And ensure that by the time the next World Cup rolls along in 2023, there are no similar glaring weaknesses like this time. Here’s how I see it from my vantage point.

 

 

 

Shikhar Dhawan should come back to full fitness shortly and take his rightful place at the top of the order. But an eye must be kept on his progress and performances in the next couple of years as he too is not getting any younger.

(Image Credits: AP)

Despite some scores at the top, but looking at his all format international career, I would not keep backing KL Rahul with the same gusto just because he looks to be such a classy player when in full form.

Every big score from Rahul seems to be followed by a string of low scores. Even at this World Cup, after a hundred against Sri Lanka in the last group game, in the semifinal he got out like a player who is out of form. With Rohit and Kohli already dismissed, this was the stage for him to give handsome returns on the long-term investment Indian cricket has made in him. More so, because he was back in form.

This is a pattern with Rahul. In 2017, after he got a hundred at Oval in the last Test against England, he looked scratchy against the West Indies on home pitches in the Test series that followed. Prithvi Shaw, on debut, looked streets ahead of him with regards to battling flow and general self-confidence.

The only time Rahul has been really consistent at the international level over a period of time was against Australia at home in 2017. But here again, he made six half-centuries in the four Tests, but didn’t go past a hundred even once.

Essentially, he just can’t seem to marry consistency with big scores and that’s the only factor the selectors must look for in Rahul now. Not his potential, but just consistent, big scores.

It may seem harsh as these players have done their best, but it’s time to move beyond Kedar Jadhav, Manish Pandey and Dinesh Karthik. We have seen them over a long enough period, and let’s be honest, if they were really that good India would not have that soft underbelly.

I would start investing in new stocks with the potential of long term, high returns. Players such as Mayank Agarwal, for instance.

Anyone who can get two 70s in his first two Tests, opening in Australia, against the red Kookaburra ball, has to be something special. He must be in India’s ODI squad and the first chance you get, put him straight into the eleven.

Shreyas Iyer is the other batsman to back for a middle-order spot because among his traits is the ability to rotate strike even when there are five fielders inside the circle.

This quality has really deteriorated these days – a batsman’s ability to pick singles at will. India desperately need another Kohli type batsman who can have a strike rate of above 90 without having to rely on boundaries. And as a bonus, Iyer also has the big game when needed.

The area Iyer needs work on is his defence against the new ball. If he comes in at 20/3, he must be able to ride that tide with a reasonable defence and get a little more organised in his mind. He could just try and ape Kohli's approach to make it simple for himself.

Shubhman Gill too has done enough to be drafted into India’s plans and there are some other exciting talents coming through. I have a feeling the Indian middle order would be much stronger in 2023 than it was at this World Cup.

(Image Credits: ICC)

Bowling, Indian cricket’s eternal worry, thankfully seems to be in a good place. As India’s young players get fitter and stronger, a lot of them want to bowl pace. And with Jasprit Bumrah as the hero to look up to, this department is likely to be well stocked for a while.

This World Cup though has given us a glimpse of bowlers who need to be backed up with options. For me, they are Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Yuzuvendra Chahal. Both will be around for a while and deserve to be playing, but planning is about having players in queue behind the existing ones. I would make Shreyas Gopal stand behind Chahal and wait his turn. Gopal’s batting is a real bonus.

After the defeat to England in the group stage, India discarded their winning formula of two years by breaking the Kuldeep Yadav & Chahal pairing, bringing Ravindra Jadeja into the mix for his economical bowling and his batting ability in the lower order.

Chahal and Kuldeep were game changers for India consistently and that strength should not be discarded easily. India won a lot of ODIs in the last two years not because their bowlers were economical, but because they were taking wickets.

Jadeja had a great semifinal and if not for him, India would have lost quite badly. And this would have done some damage to their brand as one of the world’s premier ODI outfits.

Obviously, this performance will ensure Jadeja has a consistent run in ODI Cricket in the near future. However, he can’t be the Jadeja India had for 134 One-Day Internationals before he was dropped after the 2017 Champions Trophy. In those 134 ODIs till that defeat to Pakistan, Jadeja had made 1903 runs at an average of 31.71 with 10 half-centuries and had taken 130 wickets at an average of 35.39, which isn’t too bad.

Jadeja along with Ashwin were dropped to introduce Kuldeep and Chahal, and India’s winning graph started going upwards. Why? Because they were wicket-takers and not merely economical and often sealed the game in the middle overs by striking regularly. Hopefully, his heroics at Old Trafford triggers a new ODI career trajectory for Jadeja to match his current Test match exploits

 

 

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/sanjay-manjrekar-how-india-must-plan-odi-future-to-build-towards-2023-world-cup-2229929.html

[R!TTER]

Just now, kaptaan said:

Jadeja along with Ashwin were dropped to introduce Kuldeep and Chahal, and India’s winning graph started going upwards. Why? Because they were wicket-takers and not merely economical and often sealed the game in the middle overs by striking regularly. Hopefully, his heroics at Old Trafford triggers a new ODI career trajectory for Jadeja to match his current Test match exploits

There's 2 points here, which SM seems to have plastered over or ignored completely!

 

Jadeja in 2019 is a vastly improved player than the one in 2017, I do believe he's shown the kind of growth which we see in greats or ATG of the game. Whether he sustains his form & performance also depends on the kind of wickets he plays on. Let's not kid ourselves, if CT 17 final was played on the same wicket that NZ batted on the tulleybaaz wouldn't get anywhere close to 300 let alone 350, also what to say of Brat & his stupid decisions

 

Secondly, experience & pressure. In tests, especially abroad, as well as WC there is this thing called pressure & the more experience you have the better equipped you are to handle it. Jadeja would always be in my team on spinning decks, not only because he's a damn good bowler but also because he provides the kind of control that even Ashwin can't match. He's an automatic pick for 2023 WC, as far as I'm concerned.

Edited July 18, 2019 by R!TTER

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, kaptaan said:

It may seem harsh as these players have done their best, but it’s time to move beyond Kedar Jadhav, Manish Pandey and Dinesh Karthik. We have seen them over a long enough period, and let’s be honest, if they were really that good India would not have that soft underbelly.

hain?? Manish pandey seen enough...only played 23 odi 

[mishra]

select 11 bits and pieces players.

[diga]

7 hours ago, mishra said:

select 11 bits and pieces players.

With a good captain they might still beat the rats army

[cricketfan28]

the golden generation of Indian cricket is over .. 

[Adorable Fan]

5 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

the golden generation of Indian cricket is over .. 

I don't think so, India will always be a top 3 Side in any format purely because of the Craze for the sport in India. But thing is we could be the best if selections and opportunities are given on merit basis right from Gross root level. 

 

With IPL cricket has become a lucrative option, you could see in many metros these days parents push kids to take up cricket and joining them for expensive training at early age. 

[Sandeep99]

8 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

the golden generation of Indian cricket is over .. 

I feel this as well. I think the golden generation was over with the retirements of Laxman, Dravid, Gambhir, Sehwag, and Sachin. India somehow managed with the top 3 scoring against 2nd string bowling attacks on feather-bed pitches. We have to admit the next generation batsmen is really weak when you have names like Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey popping up. 

[ThePhenomenal1]

17 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hain?? Manish pandey seen enough...only played 23 odi 

I’m a supporter of pandey but he’ll be over 30 by 2023 wc and we cant have a team of 30 year olds again. Lets back the youngsters from day 1 and build up to it.

[Riju23]

I don't see how Chahal is some sort of automatic selection over Kuldeep. He isn't bad but he isn't the wicket keeper Kuldeep is, and is a 0 as a batsman. We can't have more than one no. 11. 

 

BTW in the semifinal, notice how he went for almost double the runs Jadeja did, spraying wides and hit me balls. More discipline from him may have led to 10-15 fewer runs from NZ. 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

On 7/18/2019 at 7:32 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hain?? Manish pandey seen enough...only played 23 odi 

He scores soft runs just like Rayudu does. Pointless going back to him.

[Vijy]

On 7/18/2019 at 6:55 AM, kaptaan said:

Since I was gung-ho about India’s chances of winning the World Cup, it turned out like a very enjoyable film that ended abruptly. This is the harsh truth of sport. Just because one is emotionally invested in a team does not naturally result in that team winning.

Pakistan fans started dreaming of a repeat of 1992 when the first few matches followed a similar pattern to that memorable campaign under Imran Khan. But sport, as it mostly does, woke them up to the harsh reality - stop dreaming!

 

 

 

 

To be world champions, you must have a champion team. And what is a champion team? A team with no major weaknesses, or at least with fewer weaknesses than other teams in the same competition.

 

 

 

 

At this World Cup, India was a champion team with just one glaring weakness. And as luck would have it, both Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli were dismissed early in the all-important semifinal, an uncommon occurrence these days. That resulted in this weakness being exposed - the middle order was India’s Achilles heel and New Zealand exploited that expertly.

However, now that the World Cup is over, what does India need to do to make sure their ODI team continues to be strong? And ensure that by the time the next World Cup rolls along in 2023, there are no similar glaring weaknesses like this time. Here’s how I see it from my vantage point.

 

 

 

Shikhar Dhawan should come back to full fitness shortly and take his rightful place at the top of the order. But an eye must be kept on his progress and performances in the next couple of years as he too is not getting any younger.

(Image Credits: AP)

Despite some scores at the top, but looking at his all format international career, I would not keep backing KL Rahul with the same gusto just because he looks to be such a classy player when in full form.

Every big score from Rahul seems to be followed by a string of low scores. Even at this World Cup, after a hundred against Sri Lanka in the last group game, in the semifinal he got out like a player who is out of form. With Rohit and Kohli already dismissed, this was the stage for him to give handsome returns on the long-term investment Indian cricket has made in him. More so, because he was back in form.

This is a pattern with Rahul. In 2017, after he got a hundred at Oval in the last Test against England, he looked scratchy against the West Indies on home pitches in the Test series that followed. Prithvi Shaw, on debut, looked streets ahead of him with regards to battling flow and general self-confidence.

The only time Rahul has been really consistent at the international level over a period of time was against Australia at home in 2017. But here again, he made six half-centuries in the four Tests, but didn’t go past a hundred even once.

Essentially, he just can’t seem to marry consistency with big scores and that’s the only factor the selectors must look for in Rahul now. Not his potential, but just consistent, big scores.

It may seem harsh as these players have done their best, but it’s time to move beyond Kedar Jadhav, Manish Pandey and Dinesh Karthik. We have seen them over a long enough period, and let’s be honest, if they were really that good India would not have that soft underbelly. 

I would start investing in new stocks with the potential of long term, high returns. Players such as Mayank Agarwal, for instance.

Anyone who can get two 70s in his first two Tests, opening in Australia, against the red Kookaburra ball, has to be something special. He must be in India’s ODI squad and the first chance you get, put him straight into the eleven.

Shreyas Iyer is the other batsman to back for a middle-order spot because among his traits is the ability to rotate strike even when there are five fielders inside the circle.

This quality has really deteriorated these days – a batsman’s ability to pick singles at will. India desperately need another Kohli type batsman who can have a strike rate of above 90 without having to rely on boundaries. And as a bonus, Iyer also has the big game when needed. 

The area Iyer needs work on is his defence against the new ball. If he comes in at 20/3, he must be able to ride that tide with a reasonable defence and get a little more organised in his mind. He could just try and ape Kohli's approach to make it simple for himself.

Shubhman Gill too has done enough to be drafted into India’s plans and there are some other exciting talents coming through. I have a feeling the Indian middle order would be much stronger in 2023 than it was at this World Cup.

(Image Credits: ICC)

Bowling, Indian cricket’s eternal worry, thankfully seems to be in a good place. As India’s young players get fitter and stronger, a lot of them want to bowl pace. And with Jasprit Bumrah as the hero to look up to, this department is likely to be well stocked for a while.

This World Cup though has given us a glimpse of bowlers who need to be backed up with options. For me, they are Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Yuzuvendra Chahal. Both will be around for a while and deserve to be playing, but planning is about having players in queue behind the existing ones. I would make Shreyas Gopal stand behind Chahal and wait his turn. Gopal’s batting is a real bonus.

After the defeat to England in the group stage, India discarded their winning formula of two years by breaking the Kuldeep Yadav & Chahal pairing, bringing Ravindra Jadeja into the mix for his economical bowling and his batting ability in the lower order.

Chahal and Kuldeep were game changers for India consistently and that strength should not be discarded easily. India won a lot of ODIs in the last two years not because their bowlers were economical, but because they were taking wickets.

Jadeja had a great semifinal and if not for him, India would have lost quite badly. And this would have done some damage to their brand as one of the world’s premier ODI outfits.

Obviously, this performance will ensure Jadeja has a consistent run in ODI Cricket in the near future. However, he can’t be the Jadeja India had for 134 One-Day Internationals before he was dropped after the 2017 Champions Trophy. In those 134 ODIs till that defeat to Pakistan, Jadeja had made 1903 runs at an average of 31.71 with 10 half-centuries and had taken 130 wickets at an average of 35.39, which isn’t too bad.

Jadeja along with Ashwin were dropped to introduce Kuldeep and Chahal, and India’s winning graph started going upwards. Why? Because they were wicket-takers and not merely economical and often sealed the game in the middle overs by striking regularly. Hopefully, his heroics at Old Trafford triggers a new ODI career trajectory for Jadeja to match his current Test match exploits

 

 

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/sanjay-manjrekar-how-india-must-plan-odi-future-to-build-towards-2023-world-cup-2229929.html

sanju manju's grudging respect to jaddu for his SF performance is funny to watch. what he fails to understand is that jaddu from jan 2016 onwards has a claim for being the best AR in that period. I think we are witnessing increasing batting maturity although of course technical and power-hitting issues remain. he deserves a longer run... perhaps even higher up the order.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

14 hours ago, Vijy said:

sanju manju's grudging respect to jaddu for his SF performance is funny to watch. what he fails to understand is that jaddu from jan 2016 onwards has a claim for being the best AR in that period. I think we are witnessing increasing batting maturity although of course technical and power-hitting issues remain. he deserves a longer run... perhaps even higher up the order.

Not in ODIs he's not. Since 2018, if you exclude his 77 against New Zealand, he has a batting average of 17.28 and a strike rate of 70.34. He's useless with the bat and comes off only once in 20-30 matches.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/19/2019 at 9:10 PM, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

He scores soft runs just like Rayudu does. Pointless going back to him.

Pandey only knock which was claim to fame was 100 against Aus in Aus.....no way that was soft runs . It was a top knock 

 

On 7/19/2019 at 2:42 PM, ThePhenomenal1 said:

I’m a supporter of pandey but he’ll be over 30 by 2023 wc and we cant have a team of 30 year olds again. Lets back the youngsters from day 1 and build up to it.

Whats wrong in 30 age.....35+ i understand....nothing wrong in 30

IM not a fan of pandey but i dnt believe in counting someone out so soon

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Not in ODIs he's not. Since 2018, if you exclude his 77 against New Zealand, he has a batting average of 17.28 and a strike rate of 70.34. He's useless with the bat and comes off only once in 20-30 matches.

Jaddu's ER in the same period you listed is 4.6 and he has played off-and-on. the only one who has done better is bumrah (ER of 4.2). his primary role is as a run-containing bowler and gun fielder.

 

also, the reason for jadeja's failures is that he is not a no. 7 batsman: he cannot slog effectively and in trying to do so, his SR only goes down. I see him more as a potential No. 6 provided that he does justice to his batting ability. He should be given a few matches at 6 and then discarded if he fails.

 

lastly, I don't see any reason to exclude that 77. it was a superb knock under high pressure.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandey only knock which was claim to fame was 100 against Aus in Aus.....no way that was soft runs . It was a top knock 

That innings was more than 3 years ago. Since that match, he has scored at an average of 25.90 at a strike rate of 84.36.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

 

25 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Jaddu's ER in the same period you listed is 4.6 and he has played off-and-on.

At an average of 36, which is why he was dropped for Kuldeep and Chahal who picked wickets. 

28 minutes ago, Vijy said:

also, the reason for jadeja's failures is that he is not a no. 7 batsman: he cannot slog effectively and in trying to do so, his SR only goes down. I see him more as a potential No. 6 provided that he does justice to his batting ability. He should be given a few matches at 6 and then discarded if he fails.

So someone who bats at a strike rate of 70.34 at No. 7 is suddenly going to do wonders one position higher? 

 

He fell out of favour with the ball and he certainly cannot make the team as a batsman.

30 minutes ago, Vijy said:

lastly, I don't see any reason to exclude that 77. it was a superb knock under high pressure.

Because he's been useless in most of the other innings he's played. So useless that it's questionable whether he should even be called an all-rounder.

[Vijy]

16 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

 

At an average of 36, which is why he was dropped for Kuldeep and Chahal who picked wickets. 

So someone who bats at a strike rate of 70.34 at No. 7 is suddenly going to do wonders one position higher? 

 

He fell out of favour with the ball and he certainly cannot make the team as a batsman.

Because he's been useless in most of the other innings he's played. So useless that it's questionable whether he should even be called an all-rounder.

Certainly possible. plenty of players who were ordinary in the lower order and became comparatively better as they moved up. steve waugh is one such example. shoaib malik is another (he is a ordinary player, but he was even more crappy when playing in the lower order). His fielding easily adds 10-20 runs more than players like chahal, which makes up for his inability to take wkts.

 

lastly, we will be playing in Ind for next WC. if the pitch has something in it for spinners, would much rather take him over chahal. 2nd spinner has to be between chahar, gopal and jadeja depending on the conditions and balance.